Best players eligible for HOF, not yet in?

[heyabbott]

Jeter, Manny, Beltre not yet eligible.

Bonds, Clemens, ARod eligible but PED issues.

Gary Sheffield, Lou Whitaker and Edgar Martinez deserve it because of the Barnes induction.
Luis Tiant isn’t eligible but deserves the Baines treatment. He was better as a pitcher thanBaines was as a positionplayer.

 

[DanOregon]

Edgar goes in in August.

I do wonder how the changing dynamics in pitching impacts veterans nominees. There has to be some metric to evaluate stats in relation to the era you are playing in.

 

[TigerVols]

 

[Regan MacNeil]

Barry Bonds.

 

[cyclingwriter2]

Ted Simmons: great hitting catcher who is penalized because he was an allegedly poor defensive player. He wasn’t Johnny Bench, but he wasn’t bad. He was average, but a better fielder than a lot of guys in at other positions including his teammate Lou Brock.

And as noted on the trivia thread, Bill Freehan, who from a “fame” standpoint may have a better case.

 

[John B. Foster]

Larry walker.

I think it would be more fun to mention players that should be in that didn’t get enough votes.

 

[Jake from State Farm]

I always thought the 84 Tigers featured a bunch of borderline guys
I thought Morris might be the only guy voted in
But even though Trammell was the No. 3 SS in the AL he was still worthy
I think Whitaker will make it now
Deservedly so

 

[Starman]

Forget Harold Baines, forget Rabbit Maranville.

The question is not whether the player is better than the *worst* previous HOF selection, but where they would rank among previous HOF selections at their particular position.

(Under that standard, Freehan and Whitaker should be in instantly -- both are clearly superior to the 'median HOFer' at their positions.)

Dave Parker and Dale Murphy are pretty interesting compare-and-contrast cases.

 

[Ookpik]

Lou Whitaker by far.

 

[heyabbott]

Barry Bonds.

Bonds Clemens and ARod deserve to get in. McGwire too.
Sosa and Palmeiro, no.

In addition to Sheffield, I like Helton.

 

[John B. Foster]

**** Allen is one of the biggest omissions.

Not a player, however, Marvin Miller not being in the hall of fame is just a joke.

 

[heyabbott]

Forget Harold Baines, forget Rabbit Maranville.

The question is not whether the player is better than the *worst* previous HOF selection, but where they would rank among previous HOF selections at their particular position.

Dave Parker and Dale Murphy are pretty interesting compare-and-contrast cases.

I know the numbers don’t say it, but I thought Parker was a more feared hitter than Winfield.

 

[Starman]

Allen and Parker, to put it bluntly, were just too uppity. And also had real or perceived substance problems (Parker the toot toot, Allen the booze, both smoked ciggies like a chimney).

Dale Murphy, believe it or not, was dinged by some people for being too nice a guy; his late-career slide was sometimes written off as indication he "didn't care enough" or didn't have that "burning desire to win."

 

[Della9250]

Ted Simmons: great hitting catcher who is penalized because he was an allegedly poor defensive player. He wasn’t Johnny Bench, but he wasn’t bad. He was average, but a better fielder than a lot of guys in at other positions including his teammate Lou Brock.

And as noted on the trivia thread, Bill Freehan, who from a “fame” standpoint may have a better case.

Simmons comes off the list in December. He missed by a vote when the Modern Baseball committee voted in Morris and Trammell. Unless he gets jumped by Whitaker and someone else, he's going to get over the threshold this time. The other holdovers would be Marvin Miller, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker and Luis Tiant

 

[hondo]

He belongs in the Hall of pretty good. Not the Hall of Fame.

 

[outofplace]

Bonds and Clemens should be in. The arbitrary and ridiculous line of who gets in despite PEDs and who does not has made this a joke.

 

[Driftwood]

The all-time MLB leader in hits (4,256), games played (3,562), and at-bats (14,053)... won three World Series rings, three batting titles, one Most Valuable Player Award, two Gold Gloves, and the Rookie of the Year Award, and also made 17 All-Star appearances at an unequaled five positions (second baseman, left fielder, right fielder, third baseman, and first baseman).

 

[outofplace]

The all-time MLB leader in hits (4,256), games played (3,562), and at-bats (14,053)... won three World Series rings, three batting titles, one Most Valuable Player Award, two Gold Gloves, and the Rookie of the Year Award, and also made 17 All-Star appearances at an unequaled five positions (second baseman, left fielder, right fielder, third baseman, and first baseman).

Bet on baseball, including games that he managed. If you look at what he really did, I don't see how you can doubt that at least in some subtle way, he messed with the outcome of a game to try to win a bet. The integrity of the game has to come before everything else. I'm not talking about cheating to try to win. I'm talking about doing the opposite for a side bet.

Maybe you put that aside because what he did as a player was too good to leave out, but not before Joe Jackson.

 

[Driftwood]

Bet on baseball, including games that he managed. If you look at what he really did, I don't see how you can doubt that at least in some subtle way, he messed with the outcome of a game to try to win a bet.

Maybe you put that aside because what he did as a player is too good to leave out, but not before Joe Jackson.

Put both in and put it on the plaque. In Jackson's case, also add that the evidence against him was not that great.

 

[LanceyHoward]

Bonds Clemens and ARod deserve to get in. McGwire too.
Sosa and Palmeiro, no.

In addition to Sheffield, I like Helton.

Larry Walker got mentioned above and now Helton. While they may be worthy I wonder if playing in Coors Field and having inflated career stats as a results hurts them with the voters.