Basketball stat question

[Fourth and 8]

Do turnovers include:

change of possession by foul?

change of possession whereby a defender grabs the ball, dribbles once in place or gets the ball batted out of his hands at the point of his steal, then loses it back to the opponent?

 

[wireguy]

yes, turnovers are any possession that does not end in a shot being taken or a trip to the line.

 

[Mr. Homer]

The shortest thread ever. I'm calling it now

 

[HandsomeHarley]

I don't count it if a player grabs the ball from the opposition but gives it back before he has control of the ball. That's just a loose ball.

Once control is maintained, then it becomes a turnover.

Definitely on the first scenario.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

I don't count it if a player grabs the ball from the opposition but gives it back before he has control of the ball. That's just a loose ball.

Once control is maintained, then it becomes a turnover.

In college, I used to help keep stats for the SID sometimes. That's pretty much what we did.

Most of the times, we said the person stealing the ball had to cross the halfcourt line to maintain possession. There are exceptions of course, but that's a good rule to follow.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

I don't count it if a player grabs the ball from the opposition but gives it back before he has control of the ball. That's just a loose ball.

Once control is maintained, then it becomes a turnover.

In college, I used to help keep stats for the SID sometimes. That's pretty much what we did.

Most of the times, we said the person stealing the ball had to cross the halfcourt line to maintain possession. There are exceptions of course, but that's a good rule to follow.

If the shot clock resets, possession has been determined without the use of the midcourt rule, no?

 

[Batman]

What about a blocked shot? I always count it as a block, no shot taken, but no turnover either. Is that wrong?

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

What about a blocked shot? I always count it as a block, no shot taken, but no turnover either. Is that wrong?

Correct, in that it's no turnover. But it is a shot taken.

Look at it this way, if it hadn't been blocked, it would either have gone in the basket or missed. And since it's a shot, there would also have to be a rebound to balance out the boxscore.

 

[HandsomeHarley]

Absolutely. And if the defender forces a jump ball with a block, and the defense has the possession arrow, it becomes a blocked shot, shot attempt, and defensive rebound.

 

[editorhoo]

How could a blocked SHOT not be a shot? It is by definition.

 

[mike311gd]

That's an easy one.

 

[Batman]

How could a blocked SHOT not be a shot? It is by definition.

Because it didn't hit the rim. Same as an airball.

 

[Some Guy]

How could a blocked SHOT not be a shot? It is by definition.

Because it didn't hit the rim. Same as an airball.

Um ... an airball is a shot attempt, too.

 

[sportschick]

My understanding was always that it was a shot because otherwise it couldn't be blocked.

 

[Batman]

How could a blocked SHOT not be a shot? It is by definition.

Because it didn't hit the rim. Same as an airball.

Um ... an airball is a shot attempt, too.

How can it be a shot if it doesn't hit the rim? In college and the pros, the shot clock doesn't reset for an airball.
If the shooting team recovers, it's nothing. If the defensive team gets it, it's a turnover.

 

[Trey Beamon]

This is more of a style issue than anything ...

7-of-11 shooting or 7 of 11 shooting?

 

[sportschick]

With hypens. It's a compound modifier, at least the way I was taught it is.

 

[Batman]

This is more of a style issue than anything ...

7-of-11 shooting or 7 of 11 shooting?

Way I was taught...

He scored 14 points on 7-of-11 shooting.
He hit 7 of 11 shots from the floor.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

Batman,

Say your teammate shoots the ball, it hits the backboard (but not the rim) and you grab it and put it in. Are you giving your teammate an assist? Or a shot attempt and a rebound for you (even though, by your definition, since the shot clock would NOT have reset in that case, there was no shot)?

This should help set you straight:

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:NE2MkR5uMeQJ:www.ncaa.org/library/statistical/basketball_stats_manual/2005/2005_basketball_stats.pdf+ncaa+basketball+statistics+handbook&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

Article 6. Blocked shots are counted as attempts when, in the opinion
of the statistician, the ball clearly was in flight before being blocked; or the
player was in the obvious act of shooting with the shooting hand moving
toward the basket; or the player was airborne and moving toward the bas-
ket with the intention of a dunk or layup and the ball in position for the shot.
If there is doubt about whether the player was in the act of shooting, the
interpretation shall be that he or she was not.

A.R. 6. Allen shoots and the shot is blocked by Brown. (a) Benton
gains control of the blocked shot; (b) Adams gains control of the
blocked shot; (c) Adams and Benton retrieve the ball simultaneous-
ly and a held ball is called; or (d) the ball goes out of bounds before
either team gains control. RULING: In (a), the statistician must
decide which was most important, the block by Brown or the efforts
of Benton to retrieve the blocked shot. If the statistician feels that the
block by Brown was most important, credit Brown with an individual
rebound. If the statistician feels that the efforts by Benton were most
important, credit Benton with the individual rebound. In (b), credit
Adams with an individual rebound. In (c), if Team A is awarded the
ball for a throw-in, credit Adams with an individual rebound. If Team
B is awarded the ball for a throw-in, credit either Brown or Benton
with an individual rebound. In (d), credit a team rebound to the team
that is awarded the ball for the throw-in. In all four cases, credit
Brown with a blocked shot.

 

[Some Guy]

How could a blocked SHOT not be a shot? It is by definition.

Because it didn't hit the rim. Same as an airball.

Um ... an airball is a shot attempt, too.

How can it be a shot if it doesn't hit the rim?

Where is it written that a shot has to hit the rim to be counted as an attempt? You're telling me if a guy takes a jumper from the corner and it hits nothin

How could a blocked SHOT not be a shot? It is by definition.

Because it didn't hit the rim. Same as an airball.

Um ... an airball is a shot attempt, too.

How can it be a shot if it doesn't hit the rim? In college and the pros, the shot clock doesn't reset for an airball.
If the shooting team recovers, it's nothing. If the defensive team gets it, it's a turnover.

Where is it written a shot has to hit the rim to be counted as a shot for statistical purposes? The abbreviation FGA does not stand for "number of times the shot clock resets."

If the shooting team recovers, it's an offensive rebound. If the defensive team recovers, it's a defensive rebound.

Granted, there are occasions when it's a judgment call. But if a guy takes a jumper from the corner and it hits nothing, it's obviously a field goal attempt.