Barbaro put down

[typewriterhill]

You know what is real sad, there's more sad commentary about this horse dying than that of Andre Waters.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

This past Kentucky Derby was the first I ever watched. A friend, a big fan, had a big party, complete with friendly wages, the singing of some song (I forget) and, yes, mint juleps. It was a great time and I remember thinking, "hey, horse racing is kind of cool."

After watching what happened to Barbaro, suffice it to say it will be the last horse race I watch. Sad, sad, sad.

Remember it wasn't the Kentucky Derby where Barbaro was injured. He won the Kentucky Derby.

It was the Preakness where he got hurt.

Just clarifying your post.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I wonder if they tried to milk a few final stud fees out of him before they put him down...

Seriously, RIP.

 

[abcdefg]

I don't have a problem with what the Jackson's or veterinarians did to try to save Barbaro's life. I believe it was done with great compassion and love. Barbaro was a rare, special horse who became an inspiration. That's why there was such a great effort to save him. If what is learned from those attempts can help another horse in the future, that's not a bad legacy for Barbaro or the people who tried to heal him.

My problem is with the horseracing industry. As far as I've been told, horses are not fully developed by 2 and 3 years old. They're physically too young to be forced to race at that age, which is why it is not unusual for a horse to break down and be euthanized. It happens too often in this sport and sadly, the loss of Barbaro won't change that. Same for Ruffian and all the rest lost along the way.

 

[shockey]

You know what is real sad, there's more sad commentary about this horse dying than that of Andre Waters.

not really. people loved that horse. only eagles fans loved that cheapshot artist. i say that with all due respect. i don't exactly mourn for ty cobb, either, ya know?

that said, r.i.p., andre.

 

[Mystery_Meat]

Well, this toads the wet sprocket.

Poor horse.

 

[Runaway Jim]

A couple things:

1. **** off, Idaho.

2. I'm glad the horse isn't suffering anymore. It seemed like it was time. The vets did everything they could, and I'm glad they didn't let the horse suffer anymore.

3. Those who accuse the owners of being greedy need to understand two things: 1.) They could have cashed in on the insurance right away if they'd put him down at the track, and 2.) I may be wrong here, but I don't think thoroughbred racing allows horses to be bred with artificial insemination -- so anyone who thinks they kept him alive solely for future stud fees is incorrect.

3. Because it bears repeating: **** off, Idaho.

 

[Chef]

A couple things:

1. **** off, Idaho.

2. I'm glad the horse isn't suffering anymore. It seemed like it was time. The vets did everything they could, and I'm glad they didn't let the horse suffer anymore.

3. Those who accuse the owners of being greedy need to understand two things: 1.) They could have cashed in on the insurance right away if they'd put him down at the track, and 2.) I may be wrong here, but I don't think thoroughbred racing allows horses to be bred with artificial insemination -- so anyone who thinks they kept him alive solely for future stud fees is incorrect.

3. Because it bears repeating: **** off, Idaho.

Been nice knowing you.

 

[Freelance Hack]

r.i.p., barbaro.

i'm not a horse-racing guy. those who are, could you please answer me this: did the owners/docs do right by this splendid animal by giving him every chance? or were they just being cruel and greedy to make him go through all this? ??? ??? ???

IMO, if they were greedy, they would have just cashed the insurance policy and euthanized him at Pimlico.

As I said, Barbaro was a pioneer in the medical field for horses. Very few medical pioneers lead long lives, yet they help future patients recover from devastating injuries.

Who knows? In 10 years, superstar horses may never be destroyed if they severely break a leg. If that's the case, then it's a credit to Barbaro and his owners.

F_H, you do raise a very good point there, however, was it good for him to be the guinea pig when most owners would never be able to afford this kind of care?

I'm not a medical ethicist, but I'll play one for the sake of this thread.

Did Barbaro suffer? Yes, I'd say he did. Did he suffer additional pain needlessly? Honetly, we probably won't know that for several years.

In human terms, what Barbaro went through was probably similar to what Barney Clark and Williams Schroeder went through more than 20 years ago -- or more recently, Tom Christerson -- when they received artificial hearts. These individuals were going to die, but the modern advances gave them (and others) a little extra time and have allowed doctors and surgeons to determine ways of helping humans live through heart failure.

Was their additional suffering needless? It probably depends on who you ask. To a family member or loved one from someone who benefitted from what those gentlemen went through, the answer is probably no.

If what Barbaro went through helps doctors treat horses in the future, then it wasn't needless. What will be sad, however, is that the current caste system of horses likely will still remain.

My guess is only top stakes winners will ever be eligible to receive this kind of treatment. If you're a maiden claimer and you break down, then sorry, you're likely out of luck. How you react to that scenario pretty much tells whether you think the attempt to save Barbaro was an act of foolishness or bravery.

For me, for now anyway, it was brave.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

People, it is a horse. And Idaho isn't the only one who has a hard time figuring out the breathless coverage of this animal.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

A couple things:

1. **** off, Idaho.

2. I'm glad the horse isn't suffering anymore. It seemed like it was time. The vets did everything they could, and I'm glad they didn't let the horse suffer anymore.

3. Those who accuse the owners of being greedy need to understand two things: 1.) They could have cashed in on the insurance right away if they'd put him down at the track, and 2.) I may be wrong here, but I don't think thoroughbred racing allows horses to be bred with artificial insemination -- so anyone who thinks they kept him alive solely for future stud fees is incorrect.

3. Because it bears repeating: **** off, Idaho.

And Dickface, you **** off. Idaho didn't even post on here. It's a ****ing horse. And wasn't even your horse. Wasn't your pet. You didn't get a pony ride from Barbaro on your birthday. Grow up.

 

[andyouare?]

A couple things:

1. **** off, Idaho.

2. I'm glad the horse isn't suffering anymore. It seemed like it was time. The vets did everything they could, and I'm glad they didn't let the horse suffer anymore.

3. Those who accuse the owners of being greedy need to understand two things: 1.) They could have cashed in on the insurance right away if they'd put him down at the track, and 2.) I may be wrong here, but I don't think thoroughbred racing allows horses to be bred with artificial insemination -- so anyone who thinks they kept him alive solely for future stud fees is incorrect.

3. Because it bears repeating: **** off, Idaho.

And Dickface, you **** off. Idaho didn't even post on here. It's a ****ing horse. And wasn't even your horse. Wasn't your pet. You didn't get a pony ride from Barbaro on your birthday. Grow up.

Would Barbaro want us fighting like this? Peace people. Peace.

 

[Freelance Hack]

People, it is a horse. And Idaho isn't the only one who has a hard time figuring out the breathless coverage of this animal.

I'll agree the coverage has been extensive and some people's attention to it has been questionable -- Doyel wrote an interesting column about it on SportLine a few weeks ago.

That said, this was the first time anything like this had been attempted. On top of that, the horse was only the most recent Kentucky Derby winner. In this country, most sports fans can name just a few horses -- and in most of those cases, that one of those horses is the most recent Derby winner. So, yeah, it warranted coverage.

As far as Idaho goes, I respect him more than perhaps any other poster on here. He's entitled to his opinion, as are the others who feel likewise.

 

[Lyman_Bostock]

A couple things:

1. **** off, Idaho.

2. I'm glad the horse isn't suffering anymore. It seemed like it was time. The vets did everything they could, and I'm glad they didn't let the horse suffer anymore.

3. Those who accuse the owners of being greedy need to understand two things: 1.) They could have cashed in on the insurance right away if they'd put him down at the track, and 2.) I may be wrong here, but I don't think thoroughbred racing allows horses to be bred with artificial insemination -- so anyone who thinks they kept him alive solely for future stud fees is incorrect.

3. Because it bears repeating: **** off, Idaho.

And Dickface, you **** off. Idaho didn't even post on here. It's a ****ing horse. And wasn't even your horse. Wasn't your pet. You didn't get a pony ride from Barbaro on your birthday. Grow up.

I don't celebrate Barbaro's death. At the same time, I wonder about people who get more worked up about a horse dying than a person.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

There are a lot of athletes who I would much rather see put down than Barbaro... To list them all would take all day...

 

[shotglass]

A couple things:

1. **** off, Idaho.

2. I'm glad the horse isn't suffering anymore. It seemed like it was time. The vets did everything they could, and I'm glad they didn't let the horse suffer anymore.

3. Those who accuse the owners of being greedy need to understand two things: 1.) They could have cashed in on the insurance right away if they'd put him down at the track, and 2.) I may be wrong here, but I don't think thoroughbred racing allows horses to be bred with artificial insemination -- so anyone who thinks they kept him alive solely for future stud fees is incorrect.

3. Because it bears repeating: **** off, Idaho.

You've got no right, Jim. Put in a little more time here, and maybe your opinion will mean ****. But for now, YOU **** off.

 

[zeke12]

Actually shot, one of the best things about this place -- not the best thing, mind you, but one of the good things -- is that anyone can tell anyone to **** off.

KnowwhatI'msayin'?

 

[Ellis Redding]

Actually shot, one of the best things about this place -- not the best thing, mind you, but one of the good things -- is that anyone can tell anyone to **** off.

KnowwhatI'msayin'?

**** off, Zeke.

 

[MertWindu]

Actually shot, one of the best things about this place -- not the best thing, mind you, but one of the good things -- is that anyone can tell anyone to **** off.

KnowwhatI'msayin'?

Hey **** YOU, Zeke.

DAMMIT, now YOU **** off, Ellis!

 

[shotglass]

Sorry, Zeke. I'll pass on that opinion, although I respect YOUR right to express it.