Army suicide spike

[User 1019]

Edit: I guess this should be moved to the Sports and News Board. Sorry for the clutter on Politics. Please move, mods.

Just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/02/military_armysuicides_021109w/

We've now caught, and maybe surpassed, the civilian sector in suicides. All Army activities will stop next Wednesday (I think), so commanders can address this problem. It is the MOST important byproduct of the wars, and it's beginning to make more of an impact. Every time a soldier dies, or is hurt or otherwise removed from his unit, mission readiness is obviously negatively impacted. It takes too much money and time to train, refit and replace a seasoned soldier who dies for no reason. The 15-month deployments weren't the only culprit. We've got guys on their fourth and fifth rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan. That's five of eight years spent in combat. Let that number sink in a little. Five of eight.

These coffins aren't the ones I'm worried about

It's the coffins of the guys who're killing THEMSELVES when they get back that bother me the most.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

I'm generally wary of these stories because of all the work I did covering Vietnam vets issues in the 1970's and early '80's, when the "crazy vet" frenzy did some real damage, but this seems like a sober, realistic take on a difficult, but addressable, problem.

 

[User 1019]

Then, there's the Houston recruiting battalion issue. That commander's been relieved, thankfully. Apparently he was putting way too much pressure on them.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Something very important is on the way to breaking, I fear.

 

[User 1019]

Thanks, Moddy.

 

[OTD]

A high school friend of my daughter's died in Iraq a few weeks ago, and the guess is that it was suicide. This kid was on his first tour, but he'd had some emotional problems before.

Hopefully, this trend will abate some when more troops start coming home. One bright spot is that I don't think the "crazy vet" stereotype sticks anymore. There's been enough publicity about this that most people realize that these men and women have been under enormous stress.

 

[User 1019]

It's not going to slow down, because we're sending those brought home from Iraq to Afghanistan, basically. That said, that's what we want. We've got to find a way to increase dwell time and better treat PTSD and MTBI.

And it's not just the Army. My uncle, an Air Force logistician and a major, has been back from Iraq for a few months and having trouble with MTBI caused by an IED that went off near his vehicle.

 

[buckweaver]

No, it's not just the Army. As many know, the market where I work has several major Navy and Marine bases nearby so military issues are a huge, huge part of our primary coverage.

I swear, a week doesn't go by when we don't have a "suicide by motorcycle" incident on one of the highways here. I don't know how many times I've written the brief hed: "Crash victim ID'd as [base] Marine, 20". It's depressing as hell, but what can you do? I don't even want to think about how many times I've driven past one of those wrecks on my way home at night.

PTSD is criminally under-diagnosed. I don't think TBF or anyone else in the military can emphasize that enough. It's imperative that we change the culture to get these soldiers the help they need and the support they deserve.

 

[Peytons place]

I do wonder what the answer for this could be. Even for those who don't commit suicide, that much time over there is bound to mess with anyone's head. The problem I guess is even though the services are meeting recruitment requirements, the fact that soldiers are being stop-lossed, sent back multiple times and having tours extended tells me there may not be enough troops to ease the load. Do we bring back the draft so these voluntary soldiers can get a reprieve? Just a thought.

 

[buckweaver]

Do we bring back the draft so these voluntary soldiers can get a reprieve? Just a thought.

Only if you want to bring back Vietnam-scale protests and demonstrations. Some cynical souls will say we've become too complacent for that, but I assure you, we have not.

I will say that I think a draft in 2009-10 would have been slightly more feasible if we had only been in Afghanistan since 2001 and had not added an unnecessary second front two years later. There was and is plenty of support for that front.

 

[Peytons place]

Do we bring back the draft so these voluntary soldiers can get a reprieve? Just a thought.

Only if you want to bring back Vietnam-scale protests and demonstrations. Some cynical souls will say we've become too complacent for that, but I assure you, we have not.

I will say that I think a draft in 2009-10 would have been slightly more feasible if we had only been in Afghanistan since 2001 and had not added an unnecessary second front two years later. There was and is plenty of support for that front.

Yeah, I'm sure people would protest. But what's the answer if these wars are going to continue and we're stepping up troop levels in Afghanistan. You always hear people, even those who may not be for the war, say they support the troops, so what would their argument against the draft be? That they don't really want to support them that much?

 

[buckweaver]

No, the answer is: the wars shouldn't continue if we don't have the proper resources to fight them.

The argument against the draft is: tell me why you want me to fight. Tell me, specifically, what the goal of this measure is. Tell me how we win the war.

Right now, nobody who led us to war can answer those questions. That's the very definition of NOT supporting the troops.

 

[Peytons place]

I agree with you. Ideally the wars wouldn't continue and we wouldn't have stretched our troops so thin by staging unnecessary endeavors, but in reality, the wars did happen and they are still ongoing and may continue for some time.

If the reality is that these wars continue and the need for more soldiers exists, does the country continue to allow the same thing to keep happening: stop-losses, extended and multiple tours, which likely results in serious mental trauma for the soldiers or do we figure out a way to ease the load, such as a draft or maybe something else?

 

[buckweaver]

Yeah, we have to ease the load.

But a draft doesn't "ease" anybody's load. It just makes it worse for a lot more people. There is nothing about the draft that makes it easier on any soldier, enlisted or otherwise.

 

[Smallpotatoes]

I'm probably too old to be drafted so I prefer to stay out of the argument about whether or not we should have a draft. It's too easy for me to say we should have one if I know I won't be drafted.
That said, I remember a few years ago when Charles Rangel talked about brining it back and one local talk radio guy completely misconstrued what he said, saying it was an insult to the troops who are serving.
The point was, and the point that I agree with, is that it's too easy to send people to war if it's somebody else or somebody else's kids.
If you're in Congress and your kid could be sent to war or your neighbor's kid, you might think a little more about if it's really worth it.

 

[Bubbler]

Would today's military even desire a draft? It strikes me that training people who aren't there by choice was/is an enormously larger undertaking than training volunteers.

 

[pallister]

My nephew's platoon leader committed suicide recently. He had to accompany the body back to his hometown and attend the funeral two days later. He's been pretty shook up about it.

 

[Freelance Hack]

PTSD is criminally under-diagnosed. I don't think TBF or anyone else in the military can emphasize that enough. It's imperative that we change the culture to get these soldiers the help they need and the support they deserve.

As George Carlin once said, if PTSD was still called shellshock, these soldiers and vets would get the treatement they need and deserve.

 

[Smallpotatoes]

Would today's military even desire a draft? It strikes me that training people who aren't there by choice was/is an enormously larger undertaking than training volunteers.

Here is a rather long article supporting a draft. This author argues that you can actually get a better quality of soldiers with a draft.
I'm not sure if I agree, but he has some experience as an officer leading both draftees and non-draftees.

http://www.johntreed.com/militarydraft.html

 

[RickStain]

Do we bring back the draft so these voluntary soldiers can get a reprieve? Just a thought.

I've still got $60 in Canadian money leftover from my last vacation. Go for it.