Advice on J-Schools/Mass Comm Schools: Missouri, Marquette, Fordham

[daveevansedge]

I need a little insight here on the journalism schools/programs at Missouri, Marquette and Fordham. I've got a brilliant nephew in his senior year of high school, and he can pretty much write his ticket. Despite that, it appears he wants to get into journalism!

At any rate, these are the three universities he's most considering. Obviously, having been in this business for nearly 20 years, I'm well aware of Missouri's status, and I'm sure as an overall j-school, it would be the best stop. But for those who have either been there (mizzougrad96) or are there now (Simon, didn't you end up there?), if you could pass along some advice, including any details on how the school is working Internet training into its news-edit program, that would be much appreciated.

As for Fordham and Marquette, I know they don't have the prestige of Mizzou's j-school; in fact, I think they just have journalism departments as part of a mass comm school. But for anybody who went there, I'd be grateful for any advice you could pass along, as well.

Post your thoughts here or via PM, and thank you for your help.

 

[Pulitzer Wannabe]

I didn't go to any of those schools, but I'd like to chime in anyway. My advice to him would be to go to a big brand name school, the best he can get into, in a major metro area. Harvard. Columbia. Northwestern (or the University of Chicago). Georgetown. Maybe Stanford or Berkeley. UCLA or USC. Major in something liberal arts like English (unless he goes to Northwestern, where there is a journalism program), and then start stringing for the local metro and get his foot in the door that way. That's how I would do it if I had it all to do over again. And then encourage him to go to Columbia for grad school afterward if he can afford it.

 

[Cansportschick]

Pulitzer, I agree with you on this one. When I was deciding the journalism school I was going to go to, I talked to people who hire in the journalism field if they hear the names Ryerson, Kings, Carleton and UNB-STU, they seriously consider the candidate (there are also some other ones in Canada, but these are the only ones coming in my head). Remember, I said journalism schools, not undergrad or anything else. In Halifax, there is the Atlantic Media Institute and NSCC which broadcast people (radio and tv) hire from based on the school's reputation.

While some in the media world think school's reputation means nothing, it does for some places of employment. So Dave, you should tell your nephew to find the best possible schools.

States side, I have heard of Ithaca, Syracuse University, Stanford and Columbia are having stellar journalism programs. If he thinks about political journalism, there is a program in the summer offered at the Political Institute of Journalism. It is a top notch program. I know a few people that attended it and the intensity of the program in a short amount of time helped them prepare for a stress filled, yet enjoyable career as a journalist at major print/broadcast organizations.

 

[daveevansedge]

Thanks to both of you for your input. Anybody else who can weigh in, your thoughts would be much appreciated. Again, feel free to PM.

Pulitzer, I don't disagree with you, and in fact, Northwestern was in the equation, but NW determined my brother and his wife -- who have two other younger boys -- have $27,000 a year that they can commit to said nephew's education. That's not the case. So he's narrowed it down pretty much to Missouri, Marquette and Fordham, all of which have the potential for far greater scholarships/grants based on his academic standing.

I've gotten a few PMs already, all on Missouri, and all with different points of view on mighty Mizzou. I thought the consensus would be to go there; maybe it will be after this thread sticks around a few more days. And any opinions/advice on Marquette and Fordham would be great, as well. Thanks again, all.

 

[wickedwritah]

I've heard Milwaukee is a great city, and it's a short train ride to Chicago.

Marquette might be the best fit in terms of being in civilization. But there is something to be said for working for a strong college daily such as Mizzou's, which I was able to do in my school years (not at Mizzou).

 

[Pulitzer Wannabe]

I would go to Fordham. It's in Manhattan, media center of the country. And NYU and Columbia both have great graduate programs if he chooses to get a J-specific degree afterward without too much turmoil in having to move around the country again, etc., and probably with some contacts in the market already established in either NYC or New Jersey.

 

[joe]

I can say that the Mizzou network is large and far-ranging here in the United States. I have yet to work at a job -- and I've worked in Kentucky, Illinois and California -- that didn't have at least one Mizzou grad, and usually more than that. I don't know if the school has the cachet it once did, but the Mafia still has some power.

 

[Bob Cook]

Part of the reason college is so frickin' expensive is because people will pay anything for the brand name. So my advice is -- don't, unless he really, really wants to.

If he feels comfortable at Missouri, Fordham or Marquette, more power to him. But the beauty of journalism is that while education matters, what matters more is the work you do and the opportunities you seek out. Sure, there are connections like Chicago Tribune-Northwestern or St. Pete Times-Indiana. But journalism isn't totally like a law, where being in a top 10 school means everything.

If he is down to those three, then he should visit each campus, if he hasn't already, and decide based on what he feels is the best fit for him, rather than try to guess what will get him the best job out of school. Because you never know.

 

[micropolitan guy]

I would go to Fordham. It's in Manhattan, media center of the country.

Actually, Fordham's in The Bronx. My school doesn't have big journalism chops like Missouri, but I was taught that accuracy is important.

I'd think you can get a quality education at any of the three schools. If he's interested in sports journalism, there might be more opportunities on the paper at Missouri because it offers more sports; Marquette doesn't have football, for example.

But there is also the big fish/small pond factor.

 

[Pulitzer Wannabe]

I would go to Fordham. It's in Manhattan, media center of the country.

Actually, Fordham's in The Bronx. My school doesn't have big journalism chops like Missouri, but I was taught that accuracy is important.

I'd think you can get a quality education at any of the three schools. If he's interested in sports journalism, there might be more opportunities on the paper at Missouri because it offers more sports; Marquette doesn't have football, for example.

But there is also the big fish/small pond factor.

This is just my opinion, but if I had a son or nephew heading down this route, I wouldn't suggest having tunnel vision when it comes to covering sports. Get well-rounded. Better opportunities down the road, even in sports.

 

[micropolitan guy]

True dat. Learn the cops beat, etc.

Just yanking your chain about Fordam's location. No mistaking that part of the Bronx for Manhattan. 8)

 

[JCT89]

I think if he wants to cover sports it definitely wouldn't hurt to go to a big-time athletics program because it means there are many more sports to cover for the newspaper and for the big-time sports (basketball/football) you'll get a chance to cover the team with some of the newspaper business' best writers. Two other schools to throw out there are Penn State and Maryland. Penn State maybe not as much, but UMD is only a metro ride away from DC and plays in the ACC.

 

[Pulitzer Wannabe]

True dat. Learn the cops beat, etc.

Just yanking your chain about Fordam's location. No mistaking that part of the Bronx for Manhattan. 8)

Maybe I was thinking of Yeshiva University? That's in Manhattan, right?

 

[EStreetJoe]

Fordahm - Located in the Bronx, so its close to Manhattan and the rest of NYC, NJ, and Connecticut. Lots of opportunities for work/internships in the area. If he should decide to go into radio and away from journalism, Fordham's radio station is arguably the best in NYC - www.wfuv.org.

Marquette - Don't know much about it except that a former co-worker went there, loved the experience and came out with a great education.

Missouri - can't comment on except that I've heard that the j-school has a great reputation.

 

[forever_town]

Apparently, many shops put extra emphasis on people who graduate from the big name J-schools or wrote for the stud college rags. I can't speak to that mentality, but when I was hiring, I paid less attention to that than I did to other factors of employability.

The one person I hired came from a school without a big reputation for journalism. In fact, it's journalism program was part of the mass communications department. He was the best writer who applied and he was the best fit as far as personality was concerned.

To me, those factors were more important than reputation of a J-school. Then again, it could be because I never went to J-school.

 

[WaylonJennings]

forever - What people don't realize is that oftentimes, the reason people from those schools get hired is because they ARE the best-trained writers and reporters. Generally speaking.

 

[Mira]

Milwaukee is a great city, but Marquette isn't in the best neighborhood. UW-Milwaukee is on the east side and much nicer as opposed to Marquette's downtown campus. But UWM's Mass Communications department and its programs aren't as well known as Marquette's Journalism School. But UWM is still a stellar institution of finer learning.

UW-Madison has a decent journalism program, too, and the city has won tons of awards for being a great place to live.

 

[doubledown68]

What I learned at Mizzou... the real-world work you do there for the Missourian (presuming newspaper sequence, of course) is a fantastic learning experience. And it's fun, if you can cope with the fact that your "job" is really a 3-hour class that you're paying out the nose for.

The classroom work, with very, very rare exceptions, is complete crapola. And if you're out there (or still there) Anna Romero and Bonnie Brennan, I'm talking about you. And not as the rare exceptions.

 

[Mira]

Let me mention, too, that a slew of Milwaukee Journal Sentinel editors and reporters (in sports) graduated from UW-Milwaukee.

 

[MU_was_not_so_hard]

I can say that the Mizzou network is large and far-ranging here in the United States. I have yet to work at a job -- and I've worked in Kentucky, Illinois and California -- that didn't have at least one Mizzou grad, and usually more than that. I don't know if the school has the cachet it once did, but the Mafia still has some power.

I've always said that was the best thing about going there. My first gig out of college, I was one of four or five Mizzou guys in the news room - and that was in S.C. In my second gig, I was one of another four or five (again, in S.C.).
There are a ton of opportunities to work during school, so you will also build up your own connections.

That said, I used to cross paths with a guy from Fordham and he absolutely loved it. As someone else said, he understood that he was in the middle of the media universe. By the time he graduated, he had clips in from the NY Post and Daily News, not to mention a million papers who didn't want to send their people to New York for games.

Obviously, New York and Columbia, Mo., are going to be slightly different. To each his own.