You'll have to kill the OSU president if you want college football playoffs

trifectarich · Nov 24, 2010

University presidents are supposed to be smarter than this, aren't they?

Mystery Meat II · Nov 24, 2010

Boomer7 said:

Baron Scicluna said:

Boomer7 said:

Coming from the Boston area, big-time college sports are like a foreign country to me, so forgive my naivete. But here's my question: What's to prevent the NCAA -- which rules with an iron fist and micromanages every detail of its athletes' and member institutions' lives -- from putting its foot down and saying the following:

"We're taking control of the Football Bowl Subdivision in 2013 (or whenever) and will institute a 16-team playoff system, as is the case in our other divisions. The NCAA will no longer recognize the 32 bowl games, and will not allow member institutions to play in them. Member institutions who don't wish to participate in the new system may do so, but remaining FBS teams will not be permitted to play against those schools who opt out of the new system."

Now, obviously the Big Ten will dig in its heels for a lengthy fight. But what percentage of the FBS universities would go along with the NCAA's mandate? If it's a significant majority, then the Big Ten and the other holdouts would be pretty isolated. Yeah, they'd still have their rivalries, the Rose Bowl (presumably) and their own cable network, but how many kids are you going to recruit if you're not competing for a national championship, regardless of how good you are?

I realize it's more complicated than that, but the NCAA is completely autocratic. Why can't it use that power when it comes to football?
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Because the BCS schools will then tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves with their 1,700 page rulebook and form their own organization.

Then you'll have two organizations, and then you'll be seeing an epic meltdown of CART/IRL proportions.
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And what if the NCAA ups the ante and says, "Any school that competes against the breakaway schools in any sport is prohibited from participating in any NCAA championship, in any sport"? How many schools would turn their backs on March Madness?
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He's saying they'd break away from the NCAA completely, I think. Assuming this includes the non-football playing Big East schools, they'd probably be happy with a 32-team basketball tournament in which they keep more of the money. And it probably wouldn't make much impact for the non-rev sports, since most of them are dominated by the BCS schools anyway.

Oz · Nov 24, 2010

D-3 Fan said:

BYH, you know fucking well that the SEC, Pac-10, ACC, Big East, Big 10, and the Big 12 will never, never consent to a playoff, regardless of what Pete Carroll or anyone else whines about when their team gets shut out.
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Actually, the SEC has been pro-playoffs for years. Slive floated an idea for one, which got shot down naturally. And Vince Dooley -- 15 years ago, I think -- did the same before Slive. Same results. The SEC is actually on the same wavelength as Boise State and TCU on this, if you can believe it.

qtlaw · Nov 24, 2010

Talk about a hypocrite. Here's the head of OSU trumpeting the academics of its student-athletes and its the very same school that told Robert Smith to take easier courses so as to not take time away from football.

Baron Scicluna · Nov 24, 2010

Mystery Meat II said:

Boomer7 said:

Baron Scicluna said:

Boomer7 said:

Coming from the Boston area, big-time college sports are like a foreign country to me, so forgive my naivete. But here's my question: What's to prevent the NCAA -- which rules with an iron fist and micromanages every detail of its athletes' and member institutions' lives -- from putting its foot down and saying the following:

"We're taking control of the Football Bowl Subdivision in 2013 (or whenever) and will institute a 16-team playoff system, as is the case in our other divisions. The NCAA will no longer recognize the 32 bowl games, and will not allow member institutions to play in them. Member institutions who don't wish to participate in the new system may do so, but remaining FBS teams will not be permitted to play against those schools who opt out of the new system."

Now, obviously the Big Ten will dig in its heels for a lengthy fight. But what percentage of the FBS universities would go along with the NCAA's mandate? If it's a significant majority, then the Big Ten and the other holdouts would be pretty isolated. Yeah, they'd still have their rivalries, the Rose Bowl (presumably) and their own cable network, but how many kids are you going to recruit if you're not competing for a national championship, regardless of how good you are?

I realize it's more complicated than that, but the NCAA is completely autocratic. Why can't it use that power when it comes to football?
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Because the BCS schools will then tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves with their 1,700 page rulebook and form their own organization.

Then you'll have two organizations, and then you'll be seeing an epic meltdown of CART/IRL proportions.
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And what if the NCAA ups the ante and says, "Any school that competes against the breakaway schools in any sport is prohibited from participating in any NCAA championship, in any sport"? How many schools would turn their backs on March Madness?
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He's saying they'd break away from the NCAA completely, I think. Assuming this includes the non-football playing Big East schools, they'd probably be happy with a 32-team basketball tournament in which they keep more of the money. And it probably wouldn't make much impact for the non-rev sports, since most of them are dominated by the BCS schools anyway.
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You are correct. The six conferences would break away, along with any other stragglers that they allow, then there's two college sports organizations.

Then you get CBS barking about how they're paying megamillions to have Gonzaga, Siena, Butler and Alabama-Birmingham in the Final Four. Then the breakaway league tries to claim that they're champion is the real champion. And eventually, fans get tired of seeing two champions, one organization breaks up further, and you end up with boxing.

Birdscribe · Nov 24, 2010

Captain_Kirk said:

poindexter said:

Its this bullshit that their in-conference games are like the Bataan Death March....

These guys are of the school that if you say something long enough, like the Big 10 schedule is brutal, enough people will believe you.
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You mean like the 3 in 4 game gauntlet where OSU faced Indiana, Purdue and Minnesota? What a demanding stretch.....
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TheSportsPredictor said:

It's that time of year!

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Even if TCU and Boise State run the table, they still don't deserve to be in the Bowl Championship Series title game, Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee said Wednesday.

In an interview with The Associated Press, the president at the university with the largest athletic program in the country said that TCU and Boise State do not face a difficult enough schedule to play in the national championship game.

"Well, I don't know enough about the Xs and Os of college football," said Gee, formerly the president at West Virginia, Colorado, Brown and Vanderbilt universities. "I do know, having been both a Southeastern Conference president and a Big Ten president, that it's like murderer's row every week for these schools. We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor. We play very fine schools on any given day. So I think until a university runs through that gantlet that there's some reason to believe that they not be the best teams to (be) in the big ballgame."
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_Sy5R0zQNBTqg1ZKvhND2UW_6jg?docId=5c5bc45875a1430aac0fe6a1c782114f

This despite that fact that in the Sagarin ratings, tOSU has played the 59th ranked schedule and Boise had played the 72nd ranked schedule. (And Boise will get a boost after playing Nevada this week.) Oh, and tOSU last year played Toledo, New Mexico State, and Oregon out of conference (if you count the Rose Bowl). Boise played New Mexico State and Oregon last year and Toledo this year.
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Not to mention who tOSU played THIS year: Marshall, Ohio and Eastern Michigan, sandwiched around a mediocre Miami team.

Gee needs to quaff an industrial-sized vat of STFU, lest he sound more ridiculous than he already does. Then again, Boise St. would take the Buckeyes apart, so perhaps this minor-league Paul Simon is on to something.

Hank_Scorpio · Nov 24, 2010

qtlaw said:

Talk about a hypocrite. Here's the head of OSU trumpeting the academics of its student-athletes and its the very same school that told Robert Smith to take easier courses so as to not take time away from football.
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And don't forget dumbfuck Andy Katzenmoyer.

Starman · Nov 24, 2010

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5824308

Money graf:

He's enrolled for spring classes at Ohio State. He said he's two years from completing his degree in gerontology. He'll also continue working out at OSU to prepare for next season.
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Apparently the concept of "expulsion" has never made its way to Columbus.

Maybe Clarett can conduct study sessions with...

radio reporter Art Schlichter!!

http://uwire.com/2010/09/30/beating-the-odds-former-buckeye-art-schlichter-working-to-put-life-back-together/

Whom, apparently, THE Ohio State University is just fine with having on campus, in contact with scholarship athletes.

Mizzougrad96 · Nov 24, 2010

By what year do you think there will be a playoff?

Isn't the current bowl contract up in 2013?

Batman · Nov 24, 2010

"It's not about this incessant drive to have a national championship because I think that's a slippery slope to professionalism," Gee said.
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I wonder if he feels the same way about Ohio State's medical, physics, chemistry, etc. students competing for research grants and national awards? That's a slippery slope toward professionalism, too.

Mizzougrad96 · Nov 24, 2010

However Gee said he was in favor of ridiculous pass interference penalties in a national championship game.

TheSportsPredictor · Nov 24, 2010

Didn't realize the legs this thing would have when I bumped it.

Dan Wetzel with an instacolumn saying Gee is actually arguing against the BCS and has helped an antitrust lawsuit:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-bcsosu112410

Boise State president fires back in NERD FIGHT!!

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2010/11/24/ccripe/boise_states_bob_kustra_says_ohio_state_presidents_comments_wron

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