You meanies stop picking on poor little Hillary

hondo · Oct 31, 2007

jgmacg said:

I read the piece, hondo, but fail to see the "feminist" kvetching you mention. Am I missing something?
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AlleyAllen said:

Kudos to you Hondo for fabricating an argument that I never even saw listed in the story. Nowhere did the issue of feminism come up. Nowhere did Hillary claim she was being picked on. Hell, there really even weren't comments from her about how she was treated in the debate.

But yes, once we put all that bullshit aside, I guess some of what you said could be true. : In fantasyland.
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Here's the first two graphs of the story (written by an AP female reporter, by the way):

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - In the City of Brotherly Love, there wasn't much for a sister.
Hillary Rodham Clinton's rivals ganged up on her during a two-hour Democratic presidential debate Tuesday night, putting the front-runner on defense on issues ranging from Iraq and Iran to Social Security and whether she would be electable in the general election.

Get the hint?

Plus, on the early morning news today, we found out that Hillary's campaign staff is angry at moderator Tim Russert for "bullying" Hillary.

She wants to play with the boys, she better get a thick skin.

zeke12 · Oct 31, 2007

Of course, hondo, the fact that you got this:

hondo said:

Typical feminist crap: they want to be treated as equals, but can't take the heat without complaining that the boys are being mean.
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out of that article says a lot more about you than it does about Mrs. Clinton.

D-Backs Hack · Oct 31, 2007

Can someone hold the straws a little bit closer so hondo can grasp them? Thanks.

hondo · Oct 31, 2007

Zeke12 said:

Of course, hondo, the fact that you got this:

hondo said:

Typical feminist crap: they want to be treated as equals, but can't take the heat without complaining that the boys are being mean.
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out of that article says a lot more about you than it does about Mrs. Clinton.
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All I know is, women want to be treated as equals. Then, if someone gets tough on them at a debate, or kids with them at the office, they crumple like wet kleenex and the big, bad men being mean.

spnited · Oct 31, 2007

Again, Hondo, where in that story does it say anything about Hillary "crumpling?"

And what morning news shows were you referring to, FOX News?

zeke12 · Oct 31, 2007

hondo said:

Zeke12 said:

Of course, hondo, the fact that you got this:

hondo said:

Typical feminist crap: they want to be treated as equals, but can't take the heat without complaining that the boys are being mean.
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out of that article says a lot more about you than it does about Mrs. Clinton.
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All I know is, women want to be treated as equals. Then, if someone gets tough on them at a debate, or kids with them at the office, they crumple like wet kleenex and the big, bad men being mean.
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Again, it sounds like you're working out your own issues with women.

Good luck with that.

heyabbott · Oct 31, 2007

The Times version:

But for all the attention Mr. Obama drew to himself coming into the debate, he was frequently overshadowed by former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, who — speaking more intensely — repeatedly challenged Mrs. Clinton’s credentials and credibility, and frequently seemed to make the case against Mrs. Clinton that Mr. Obama had promised to make.

â€œSenator Clinton says that she believes she can be the candidate for change, but she defends a broken system that’s corrupt in Washington, D.C.,â€ Mr. Edwards said.

He added, â€œI think the American people, given this historic moment in our country’s history, deserve a president of the United States that they know will tell them the truth, and won’t say one thing one time and something different at a different time.â€
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Ace · Oct 31, 2007

hondo,

The Islamofascists aren't big on women's rights, either. So you guys have that going for you, too.

Ben_Hecht · Oct 31, 2007

She better get off that "Lobbyists are people, too" horseshit, or she'll never hear the end of it.

jgmacg · Oct 31, 2007

If candidate Clinton had complained after the fact about being unfairly treated because she's a woman, then you might have something, hondo. As it is, given the fact that every paper in the country characterizes the debate the same way - a ratcheting up of combative rhetoric by the challengers against a frontrunner - you've got nothing.

heyabbott · Oct 31, 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/opinion/31dowd.html?hp
Maureen Dowd wrote

Hillary doesn’t speak truth to power any more. Now that Mark Penn believes women can carry her to victory, Hillary speaks girlfriend to girlfriend.

That tack, Caitlin Flanagan writes in The Atlantic, would only work if she were â€œwilling to let us women in on the big, underlying struggle of her life that is front and center in our understanding of who she is as a woman. Her husband’s sexual behavior, quite apart from the private pain that it has caused her, has also sullied her deepest — and most womanly — ideals and convictions, for the Clintons’ political partnership has demanded that she defend actions she knows to be indefensible. To call her husband a philanderer is almost to whitewash him, for he’s used women far less sophisticated, educated and powerful than he — women particularly susceptible to the rake’s characteristic blend of cajolery and deceit — for his sexual gratification.

â€œIn glossing over her husband’s actions and abetting his efforts to squirm away from the scrutiny and judgment they provoke, Hillary has too often lapsed into her customary hauteur and self-righteousness and added to the pain delivered upon these women.â€...But maybe the qualities that many find off-putting in Hillary — her opportunism, her triangulation, her ethical corner-cutting, her shifting convictions from pro-war to anti-war, her secrecy, her ruthlessness — are the same ones that make people willing to vote for a woman.

Few are concerned that Hillary is strong enough for the job. She is cold-eyed about wanting power and raising money and turning everything about her life into a commodity. Yet, the characteristics that are somewhat troubling are the same ones that convincingly show she will do what it takes to beat Obama and Rudy. She will not be soft or vulnerable. She will not melt in a crisis.

And, unlike Obama, she doesn’t need to talk herself into manning up. Obama whiffed in the debate last night when Brian Williams and Tim Russert teed up the first question for him to take on Hillary — something the debate dominatrix never would have done.

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JR · Oct 31, 2007

Hondo wouldn't actually recognize a feminist unless she kicked him in the groin.

And apparently he doesn't have an issue with the gasbag's comment about "Feminazis" so why is anyone suprised at his comments.

Damn uppity women.

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