Wynalda tell hime Rome to suck his ****!

Inky_Wretch · Apr 6, 2007

Boom_70 said:

Pastor said:

Boom_70 said:

I don't understand why soccer has to be marketed to be successful. If it was any good we would watch it.

I have noticed the ESPN push has started. They seem to be working in more soccer highlights to Sports Center.

That will only hurt the sport. Players will be going for Sportscenter moments .
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Marketing is what draws out the "average" fan. The mere fact that the sport (note I didn't specify a league), without any marketing, is watched more than most other sports in this country speaks for itself.

I don't see how players will go for SportsCenter moments. It isn't in the nature of the game.

dooley_womack1 said:

And little to do with the most important thing...getting asses in the seats for games not involving the Galaxy. Beckham in the U.S. context is like figure skating, more having to do with spectacle than sport. And I think you know that Beckham was roundly criticized for his World Cup performance; to cite the "half of" thing is disingenuous. And if he were so on top of his game, he wouldn't hafta be fighting for jack. This is another nattering thing about pro-soccer zeal: gilding the lily.
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Dooley, you are better than this. Piotr made a great post above this. I will also point out that you claimed that Beckham was buried on the bench at Real. Not only is that patently false, but disingenuous. The guy was buried because he signed a contract to play in America. It had nothing to do with his play. And you damn well know that he still has the chops to play in the EPL. He just won't be playing for the top 3 or 4 teams as they don't need him.

You can't say that the guy is done simply because he is signing with a team in the US. The guy is simply choosing to keep his star power high by playing in a more marketable area.

You should also realize that the World Cup roster in England is something that is always fought for.

Outside of the theory that signing Beckham won't increase attendance, you are just throwing shit against the wall to see if it sticks. Women aren't Beckham's only audience and you know that too.

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Is in marketing or manipulation? All of a sudden soccer highlights start showing up on Sports Center. Stories start appearing in ESPN the Magazine. Does ESPN have vested interest in seeeing soccer succede? You bet it does.

In the end it still comes down to the consumer and I am betteing that he still will not buy the product on a grand scale.

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Are you talking about soccer or arena football?

slappy4428 · Apr 6, 2007

Pastor said:

ESPN has paid MLS money to broadcast games. They have also paid money to broadcast European games as well. ESPN does NOT have the investment in MLS that it has in Arena Football.

Now, when it comes down to the consumer and the product... if it is good enough people will stick around. The sport, itself, is consumed on a far greater scale than most people realize. ESPN is hoping that some people will look to tune in for the American league.

Boom, you also add in the caveat of "grand scale." What does that even mean? Would a Royals-Devil Rays game in August be consumed in "grand scale"?

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If the grand scale is empty seats, yes.

Chuck~Taylor · Apr 6, 2007

Piotr Rasputin said:

dooley_womack1 said:

I disagree with you, crasstor, and since I'll be gone for a while, I'll leave it at that. And do more men in the U.S. know who Lebron James is than Beckham? Probably. Do more women? I dunno, but I doubt much of the female interest has anything to do with how he plays soccer. And soccer's actuarial tables say that at 31, Beckham is on the downhill side. Heck, he was probably on the downhill side starting two years ago. Again, if he were as great as you say he is, he would never have to fight for a job; the new English coach would have made him a centerpiece.

Now I realize that soccer zealots don't allow for any deviation from the party line, but if you think we're getting Beckham anywhere close to his prime, you are delusional. And soccer zealots also need to condescend to people who merely like watching the sport at its highest level but don't feel the burning need to guilt us into making soccer the No. 3 sport in America.
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I think you only feel like we "zealots" are condescending to you because you don't know what you're talking about.

You're digging yourself a Chuck-sized hole in this thread now. Plenty of loud statements, with little factual backup. And now you keep having to throw in the potshots at soccer fans to cover up your lack of a coherent argument.
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Little factual backup? Did you see my last posts? You guys said MLB attendance numbers were up. I countered it by saying last year was the NBA had the highest average attendance in NBA history with the arenas filled to 91.4% capacity.

zeke12 · Apr 6, 2007

Chuck, what will the best-drawing NBA team get for attendance this season?

Sportsbruh · Apr 6, 2007

Everybody hates Jim Rome but the poor fools that like to be on inferior television. REAL ballers stay away from this clown.

Inky_Wretch · Apr 6, 2007

Sportsbruh said:

Everybody hates Jim Rome but the poor fools that like to be on inferior television. REAL ballers stay away from this clown.
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What does that say about Scoop Jackson then?

From Scoop's IMDB page...

"Rome Is Burning" .... Himself (9 episodes, 2005-2006)
... aka Jim Rome Is Burning (USA: second season title)
- Episode dated 25 April 2006 (2006) TV Episode .... Himself
- Episode dated 21 March 2006 (2006) TV Episode .... Himself
- Episode dated 20 March 2006 (2006) TV Episode .... Himself
- Episode dated 17 November 2005 (2005) TV Episode .... Himself
- Episode dated 16 November 2005 (2005) TV Episode .... Himself
(4 more)
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Piotr Rasputin · Apr 6, 2007

Boom_70 said:

'Soccer is the Canada of American sports, viewed less with contempt than with indifference"
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I would love if more people were indifferent to it . . . . . . . .

Again, live and let live. Ignore it like I ignore Xgames and MMA.

sportschick · Apr 6, 2007

I watched soccer again today. Just thought I'd share.

outofplace · Apr 6, 2007

sportschick said:

I watched soccer again today. Just thought I'd share.
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Personally, I'd rather take a nap. Actually, I'd put on the soccer to help me take a nap.

But whatever makes you happy, SC

sportschick · Apr 6, 2007

outofplace said:

sportschick said:

I watched soccer again today. Just thought I'd share.
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Personally, I'd rather take a nap. Actually, I'd put on the soccer to help me take a nap.

But whatever makes you happy, SC
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Given the choice between poker and soccer, I choose soccer. And those soccer guys have nice legs, which always makes me happy

outofplace · Apr 6, 2007

sportschick said:

outofplace said:

sportschick said:

I watched soccer again today. Just thought I'd share.
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Personally, I'd rather take a nap. Actually, I'd put on the soccer to help me take a nap.

But whatever makes you happy, SC
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Given the choice between poker and soccer, I choose soccer. And those soccer guys have nice legs, which always makes me happy
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I see. So, kinda the way I evaluate women's volleyball.

sportschick · Apr 6, 2007

Pretty much.

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