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Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by SFIND, Apr 18, 2022.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Agree with most if this. Go back in time and people were decrying what dumbfucks everyone had turned into. It's magnified now compared to the past because of information technology, but it's part and parcel of the history of humanity, things just play out in quicker time frames.

    On us being an ingenious species that engineers and invents stuff before understanding. ... I see it a little differently. Inventions that gain widespread adoption do so because they serve a need and enhance people's lives. But there is nothing limiting how someone uses an invention, and just about everything can be used in a variety of ways. People then sit on their perch after the fact and decry the technology as having done harm, when the technology is just a tool, it's the individual behavior of people that they are really complaining about. That too, is the history of humanity.
     
  2. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Social media has stunted even adults' ability to interact with strangers in face-to-face situations.

    It pisses me off to no end that a couple friends of mine -- in their 50s no less -- will go to the bar to hang out and spend time on their phone scrolling social when the whole fucking point of going to the bar is to be social. I end up abandoning them more times than not just because I leave the damn house to talk to other people, not to sit with others on their phones. And yes, I call them out for it, but they tend to laugh it off.
     
  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I'd actually agree that it's not entirely profound, provided one is kind of where Haidt is, or capable of looking from Haidt's vantage point back toward the world he's critiquing.

    What makes the piece different is that it isn't fixated on calling the extreme right (or left) the problem, or relying on the "it's human nature" line. It chooses to indict specific things and suggests progressives might have real action to take in creating solutions.
     
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  4. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    And why did he "barely campaign?" Because his handlers were afraid the more he said, the more likely he'd screw up.

    And Hillary was the same, with a slightly different twist. We just didn't want her speaking, for fear she'd turn people away.

    Ladies and gentlemen, your past two presidential candidates.
     
  5. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    I must be reading it wrong because I think that Haidt spent more than 8,000 words to say that social media gives trolls an anonymous platform to stir division and that kids need to play outside.

    His comparison of social media to the Tower of Babel is, to use the vocabulary word of the week, not all that “unique.”

    I know that it’s pretty much the prevailing writing style of The Atlantic to drive the bus around the block more that a few times before finally attempting to park it in the barn, but I think that the reaction to the essay, at least here, seems to create more division than clarity.
     
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  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I imagine it would be divisive. It challenges progressive orthodoxy in equal measure to conservative nutjobbery. That alone would make it offensive. The piece does not have a long, detailed paragraph that doubles as a disclaimer that, of course, the right is far worse and it ends on the idea that the helicopter parenting preferred by wealthy, socially-connected people is infantilizing children in a bad way. It’s all written very nicely and thoughtfully, but the piece is not for, nor written to, Trump voters.
     
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  7. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Sounds like the tug o war during Battle of the Network Stars.
     
  8. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    It’s odd somebody can read a lengthy piece about the negative effects of algorithmic-driven social media and come up with any Hot Take other than “delete the algorithms.”
     
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  9. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    That presumes the supply side resolves everything. There's a demand side. The algorithms exist for a reason - because they work, and they help make money. They work because people inherently want to be a part of something, a community, a group, and in a society where we've chosen to relentlessly shit upon our institutions, people will settle, and have settled, for what social media offers.
     
  10. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    And what has helped the relentless shitting upon institutions and experts? Algorithms that feed upon confirmation bias and driving engagement via angry responses.
     
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  11. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member



    All your algorithms are belong to us.
     
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  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Maybe our institutions suck.
     
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