Tressel and Ohio State could be in trouble

KYSportsWriter · Mar 7, 2011

Jim Tressel allegedly knew players were selling gear eight months before Ohio State said it was aware something was going on.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AlDDaU_Ypq36RLkMYikF9V45nYcB?slug=ys-osuprobe030711

trifectarich · Mar 7, 2011

Fire his ass today.

Starman · Mar 7, 2011

YGBFKM · Mar 7, 2011

If he loses to Michigan next year, this will retroactively be the last straw.

Alma · Mar 7, 2011

I don't doubt Wetzel and Robinson for a second, but Yahoo! has to present a little bit more detail than "according to a source" and "a concerned party." Get a little closer to the record than that.

The Big Ragu · Mar 7, 2011

Aside from what Tressel has to answer for. ... Exhibit # 3,042 why this myth that players are student-athletes for whom a full scholarship is a gift and a privilege should finally be put to rest. NCAA football brings in a ton of money. Pay the kids their worth. How many players are not academic material, and how many are really using NCAA football as a minor league with dreams of a pro career. Get rid of the myth, and you can just pay the players some of what the majors earn in football revenue, rather than filtering the money to them through all the seedy schemes and then pretending the schools have no clue it goes on when one of the kids is so hamhanded about it that he gets caught. And while they are at it, maybe they can stop making the subsection of kids who can't pass a 9th grade curriculum stop pretending they have any interest in academics.

And YG, jeez, after the Rich Rod era at Michigan is there anything left any one can root for from the Michigan-OSU rivalry? Brady Hoke seems like a jolly enough guy, but the only thing I want to root for is a shower.

LongTimeListener · Mar 7, 2011

The Big Ragu said:

Aside from what Tressel has to answer for. ... Exhibit # 3,042 why this myth that players are student-athletes for whom a full scholarship is a gift and a privilege should finally be put to rest. NCAA football brings in a ton of money. Pay the kids their worth. How many players are not academic material, and how many are really using NCAA football as a minor league with dreams of a pro career. Get rid of the myth, and you can just pay the players some of what the majors earn in football revenue, rather than filtering the money to them through all the seedy schemes and then pretending the schools have no clue it goes on when one of the kids is so hamhanded about it that he gets caught. And while they are at it, maybe they can stop making the subsection of kids who can't pass a 9th grade curriculum stop pretending they have any interest in academics.

And YG, jeez, after the Rich Rod era at Michigan is there anything left any one can root for from the Michigan-OSU rivalry? Brady Hoke seems like a jolly enough guy, but the only thing I want to root for is a shower.
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1) There are very few players, a handful per team possibly, who really bring in more value than they get in scholarship. "Value" defined here as what it would cost to find a reasonable alternative to the services. For every Terrelle Pryor there are 15 starters who are just barely starters and whose absence wouldn't affect the team in the least if the next guy just got bumped up the depth chart and they took one more recruit on the bottom rung who ended up at Minnesota instead.

2) Title IX, Title IX, Title IX. Can't pay football players without paying 100 female athletes, which makes the whole business model of college athletics go kaput. I'm not saying it's fair or right, just saying that's how it is.

3) They don't call the man Cheatypants McSweatervest for nothing.

The Big Ragu · Mar 7, 2011

1) How do you quantify this? Ohio State doesn't make its bowl game, and fill the stadium all season long, and compete for a national championship by just sending Terrell Pryor out there to go 1 on 11. The school makes close to $70 million in gross revenue. All of the players have a role in that. The fact is that the players they got are the players they recruited and got to go there. Sure Minnesota might have some players who could play for OSU. But they aren't playing for OSU. And honestly, they should be getting paid by Minnesota, which brings in $15 to $20 million a year.

2) I wasn't thinking about Title IX. It's all so silly, though. There are two revenue sports: football and basketball. The women's sports have nothing to do with that.

3) Well, yeah. The sweater vest is probably the most honest thing about him.

NickMordo · Mar 7, 2011

Cheating in college athletics? I, for one, am shocked and deeply disturbed.

Baron Scicluna · Mar 7, 2011

LongTimeListener said:

The Big Ragu said:

Aside from what Tressel has to answer for. ... Exhibit # 3,042 why this myth that players are student-athletes for whom a full scholarship is a gift and a privilege should finally be put to rest. NCAA football brings in a ton of money. Pay the kids their worth. How many players are not academic material, and how many are really using NCAA football as a minor league with dreams of a pro career. Get rid of the myth, and you can just pay the players some of what the majors earn in football revenue, rather than filtering the money to them through all the seedy schemes and then pretending the schools have no clue it goes on when one of the kids is so hamhanded about it that he gets caught. And while they are at it, maybe they can stop making the subsection of kids who can't pass a 9th grade curriculum stop pretending they have any interest in academics.

And YG, jeez, after the Rich Rod era at Michigan is there anything left any one can root for from the Michigan-OSU rivalry? Brady Hoke seems like a jolly enough guy, but the only thing I want to root for is a shower.
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1) There are very few players, a handful per team possibly, who really bring in more value than they get in scholarship. "Value" defined here as what it would cost to find a reasonable alternative to the services. For every Terrelle Pryor there are 15 starters who are just barely starters and whose absence wouldn't affect the team in the least if the next guy just got bumped up the depth chart and they took one more recruit on the bottom rung who ended up at Minnesota instead.

2) Title IX, Title IX, Title IX. Can't pay football players without paying 100 female athletes, which makes the whole business model of college athletics go kaput. I'm not saying it's fair or right, just saying that's how it is.

3) They don't call the man Cheatypants McSweatervest for nothing.
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Which is why, on numerous threads, I've said that college athletes shouldn't be paid by the schools, but be free to find their own revenue streams.

Which would mean Terrelle Pryor can cash in from Nike as a freshman while the Ohio State gymnast can be satisfied with her scholarship.

It would get around Title IX, and end the hypocrisy of people making money off of these athletes.

The Big Ragu · Mar 7, 2011

Yup, Baron.

LongTimeListener · Mar 7, 2011

The Big Ragu said:

1) How do you quantify this? Ohio State doesn't make its bowl game, and fill the stadium all season long, and compete for a national championship by just sending Terrell Pryor out there to go 1 on 11. The school makes close to $70 million in gross revenue. All of the players have a role in that. The fact is that the players they got are the players they recruited and got to go there. Sure Minnesota might have some players who could play for OSU. But they aren't playing for OSU. And honestly, they should be getting paid by Minnesota, which brings in $15 to $20 million a year.
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Admittedly that's just my opinion, but there is a very small difference in measurable talent between, let's say, the third linebacker on Ohio State's recruiting wish list (who gets a scholarship offer) and the fourth linebacker (who doesn't).

The value proposition would not be that bad if schools honestly allowed kids to move toward a degree should they be interested in one. That could make millions of dollars of difference in lifetime earnings. The huge problem -- particular to Ohio State especially after the whole Robert Smith saga -- is that this valuable thing the colleges supposedly offer is the very same thing coaches discourage by steering players to bullshit majors and such. (See Harbaugh's comments on Michigan for more examples.)

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