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The Official Tim Raines Hall of Fame Support Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Jan 22, 2011.

  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    All right. We can all agree that John Olerud isn't a Hall of Famer. It was a fun exercise, but it was purely academic.

    Here's a real one: Tim Raines.

    Here, dug up from an Internet forum somewhere is the stat line of two players:

    Tim Raines:
    .294/.385/.425 (league average in his day .263/.331/.398), 170 HR, 808 SB, 84.7% success rate, 2 WS rings
    Lou Brock:
    .293/.343/.410 (league average in era .264/.330/.390), 149 HR, 938 SB, 75.3% success rate, 2 WS rings.

    Raines got only 37.5 percent of the HOF vote last year.

    I am told the BBWAA is full of guys who know the game inside and out, and make the right decisions. That is largely true, I believe, and have shouted down people on here who think that the writers should get the vote taken away because of things like the infamous Stanton ballot. But if this is the case, I have no doubt that they will see the error of their ways on Raines. His omission is glaring.

    Raines needs to be the next cause, now that Blyleven is in.
  2. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    I'm in ... not that I have a vote or a national platform or anything.

    Raines is hurt by playing at the same time as Henderson and by playing in Montreal. But the guy was a dynamic leadoff hitter for more than a decade, and one of the great percentage base-stealers of all-time.
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Playing in Montreal is only .6 - .7 as good as playing in New York.
  4. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    Although I'm not big on comparing a player who is not in the Hall to one who is, I absolutely agree that Raines belongs in the Hall.
  5. shockey

    shockey Active Member

    i've always considered raines hof-worthy. through no fault of his own, tho, i believe his lack of support -- in comparison to brock being in the hall -- is that brock was no doubt buoyed by being a chief cog on a dominant team that won 2 championships. when raines was in his prime he played on mostly mediocre teams in a poor market without great exposure. not saying it's right, just looking for an explanation...

    he may be a guy who gets more support when the vet's committee gets a hold of him.
  6. SoCalDude

    SoCalDude Active Member

    I've been voting for Raines since he got on the ballot.
  7. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    Just throwing it out there ... but does anyone think Raines admitted history of drug abuse factor in at all? I'm not saying it should, just wondering if it does ...
  8. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I think playing the bulk of his career in Montreal hurts him a lot more than his coke habit.

    He should have been in a long time ago.
  9. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    Absolutely a Hall of Famer.
  10. Joe Williams

    Joe Williams Well-Known Member

    One thing I'd say in Brock's defense, not that he needs one (he's in) is that he was stealing bases in big numbers at a time when many teams were playing station-to-station baseball, wasn't he? Please set me straight if Raines did his running in an era equally stifling to base stealers. Just my recollections or readings.

    Raines got my vote though. NL's alternative to Rickey in a way. A little less so.
  11. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    The Expos averaged more than 28,000 a game in the first three full years of Raines' career, before the team slowly got ripped apart.
  12. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    Raines should be in. He was so good, his walks were worth .82 singles
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