Strasburg scratched because he couldn't "get loose" - UPDATED, NEEDS TJ

BYH · Jul 29, 2010

Re: Strasburg scratched because he couldn't "get loose"

OMG it's spreading. Brandon Webb of the D-Backs was shut down the other day b/c he couldn't get loose.

Perhaps if he knew the arm was a muscle that needs to be worked like any other muscle, he would not have pitched just six innings and undergone major shoulder surgery since the start of the 2009 season.

JC · Jul 29, 2010

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hondo said:

JC said:

hondo said:

spnited said:

Extremely low pitch count limits in the minors. They don't need to be throwing 100 pitches but 60-65 at Double A is not enough to build arm strength.
They don't throw enough between starts. One bullpen session is not enough. Long-tossing -- not pitching -- every day builds arms strength.
They don't run as much as pitchers used. Rube Walker, pitching coach ofnthe 69 mets (Seaver, Ryan, Koosman, etc.) beleieved in building leg strength and lower body drive to get more power on pitches with less strain on the arm.
These things are why, with training methods and medicine suppsedly so much better today, it does not make sense that young pitchers have to be wet-nursed to prevent arm injuries.
It's not a question of pitching in games as much as what they are allowed to and expected to do between starts to build their strength.
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Superb points and goes back to my contention that they can't keep playing six-inning games with this kid. If his shoulder is hurt now, fine. That's not the information we had when I made the post. But to repeat, the arm is a collection of muscle, and you have to use it to get it strong.
And yo, JC. I know it's Leo Mazzone. I confused the name with Frank Malzone or something. I wasn't aware you never made a mistake.
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You're right, Spnited made some excellent points. Points you did not make.
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So what's your point? Aside from being a smart-ass?
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My point is your talking out your ass. You would not have been able to come up with some detailed reasons all you can come with is "the arm is a muscle". Thanks Doc.

BYH · Jul 29, 2010

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Heaven forbid Stephen Strasburg ever get depressed. Then you'll really see Dr. Hondo at his "best."

Love that Jim Bunning is the politico pissed off about this. Just perfect, for people who have been on this board for years.

hondo · Jul 29, 2010

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JC said:

hondo said:

JC said:

hondo said:

spnited said:

Extremely low pitch count limits in the minors. They don't need to be throwing 100 pitches but 60-65 at Double A is not enough to build arm strength.
They don't throw enough between starts. One bullpen session is not enough. Long-tossing -- not pitching -- every day builds arms strength.
They don't run as much as pitchers used. Rube Walker, pitching coach ofnthe 69 mets (Seaver, Ryan, Koosman, etc.) beleieved in building leg strength and lower body drive to get more power on pitches with less strain on the arm.
These things are why, with training methods and medicine suppsedly so much better today, it does not make sense that young pitchers have to be wet-nursed to prevent arm injuries.
It's not a question of pitching in games as much as what they are allowed to and expected to do between starts to build their strength.
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Superb points and goes back to my contention that they can't keep playing six-inning games with this kid. If his shoulder is hurt now, fine. That's not the information we had when I made the post. But to repeat, the arm is a collection of muscle, and you have to use it to get it strong.
And yo, JC. I know it's Leo Mazzone. I confused the name with Frank Malzone or something. I wasn't aware you never made a mistake.
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You're right, Spnited made some excellent points. Points you did not make.
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So what's your point? Aside from being a smart-ass?
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My point is your talking out your ass. You would not have been able to come up with some detailed reasons all you can come with is "the arm is a muscle". Thanks Doc.
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Know what? You're not my fucking editor. I try to be brief with the posts. The reasons were detailed enough: pitching coaches and managers are now under-working their guys as much as over-working.
Beyond that, bleep you.

Armchair_QB · Jul 29, 2010

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Kerry Wood is touched by Jim Riggleman's concern for his rookie stud pitcher's arm problems.

Tarheel316 · Jul 30, 2010

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Kerry Wood is touched by Jim Riggleman's concern for his rookie stud pitcher's arm problems.
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Mark Prior, too.

Azrael · Jul 30, 2010

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The brain is a muscle! Don't BABY it!

BYH · Aug 21, 2010

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Strasburg leaves with an elbow injury. If only he knew the arm is a muscle.

Another victory for Drs. Hondo and Bunning. LOL.

RickStain · Aug 21, 2010

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As a Cubs fan who lived with this for Mark Prior, my sympathy goes out to Nats fans.

spnited · Aug 21, 2010

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RickStain said:

As a Cubs fan who lived with this for Mark Prior, my sympathy goes out to Nats fans.
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Prior was abused by Dusty Baker.
This kid has been wrapped in a baby blanket.
Not the same thing.

Point of Order · Aug 22, 2010

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Point of Order said:

spnited said:

Azrael said:

At least Eiland won't BABY him.
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Seven posts on this thread by the one-trick-pony ... alll mocking the idea that Strasburg has been babied.
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Yeah, but all seven have been pretty funny. Strasburg's arm is already fucked. It's over. Sorry.
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But no one could have ever known.

spnited · Aug 22, 2010

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Before going home for a MRI, Strasburg threw today without pain. Riggelman says he'll probably miss one start, Rizzo says he's waiting to see if he might not even miss one.

In other words, the Nats need him to pitch at home a few more timies this season so more than 10,000 people will show up.
They are in the process of fucking up this kid completely. First they baby him, now when they should err on the side of caution, Rizzo wants him on the mound. Freaking idiots.

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