'Stop saying "Support the troops"'

Baron Scicluna · Oct 15, 2013

Captain Obvious said:

Baron Scicluna said:

They also skipped it because it was a war that we started, in a country that was little threat to us militarily. As opposed to World War II, when we had war declared on us, and there was a legitimate threat of being attacked.

That'd be a pretty strong motivator right there.
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You've watched 1941 too many times. Nationalism is a powerful tool for those in power.
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In 1941 Germans sank five Allied merchant ships off Georgia shores. By late 1943, however, Georgia's coastal defenses had grown so formidable that German submarines no longer entered the state's waters.[/quote[

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/u-boat-attacks-during-world-war-ii
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Boom_70 · Oct 15, 2013

Baron Scicluna said:

Boom_70 said:

Dick Whitman said:

Again: Some 18-year-olds chose not to go. We revile them to this day as draft dodgers. You can't have it both ways. You can't indict draft dodgers while arguing that those who did go are exempted from independent thought because of their age. Age mitigates it, for sure. So do the circumstances. But a draft card is not a talisman. They chose to go, and that at least subjects their participation to a weighing of the competing factors they faced, draft or no draft. To argue otherwise is an insult to the participants.
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Most draft dodgers did not skip the war because it was immoral. They wanted to save
their own ass.
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They also skipped it because it was a war that we started, in a country that was little threat to us militarily. As opposed to World War II, when we had war declared on us, and there was a legitimate threat of being attacked.

That'd be a pretty strong motivator right there.
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The threat of the time was spread of communism which as we know now was
not as big a threat as it was portrayed.

I doubt there were many 18 year olds savvy enough to know that it was not a
big threat.

waterytart · Oct 15, 2013

Captain Obvious said:

Baron Scicluna said:

They also skipped it because it was a war that we started, in a country that was little threat to us militarily. As opposed to World War II, when we had war declared on us, and there was a legitimate threat of being attacked.

That'd be a pretty strong motivator right there.
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You've watched 1941 too many times. Nationalism is a powerful tool for those in power.
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You should visit the memorial over the USS Arizona sometime.

doctorquant · Oct 15, 2013

Boom_70 said:

I doubt there were many 18 year olds savvy enough to know that it was not a big threat.
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I got it in my head there were bunch of middle-aged folks in the halls of government who weren't savvy enough, either ...

Captain Obvious · Oct 15, 2013

waterytart said:

Captain Obvious said:

Baron Scicluna said:

They also skipped it because it was a war that we started, in a country that was little threat to us militarily. As opposed to World War II, when we had war declared on us, and there was a legitimate threat of being attacked.

That'd be a pretty strong motivator right there.
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You've watched 1941 too many times. Nationalism is a powerful tool for those in power.
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You should visit the memorial over the USS Arizona sometime.
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Wonder why there are so many military memorials? Nationalism is a powerful tool. It worked after 9/11.

YankeeFan · Oct 15, 2013

The most cynical guy here, the guy who thinks Nationalism is a con, converted to the religion of Joseph Smith, a first class con man.

Sorry, but I don't get it.

Captain Obvious · Oct 15, 2013

The "con" of nationalism isn't all bad. The Super Bowl halftime show is decent most years.

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