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Steven Spielberg 15 years ago... It was a very good year

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Simon_Cowbell, Jan 2, 2008.

  1. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    He hadn't directed a hit from original material in 11 years as 1993 dawned.
     
  2. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Not sure what original material has to do with it, but I'm pretty sure "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" and "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" both qualify as hits. They were both "original material."

    "The Color Purple" obviously wasn't "original material," but it earned 11 Oscar nominations. "Empire of the Sun" was nominated for six Oscars.

    He also wrote and produced "The Goonies."

    Not sure what you were getting at with that post, but it's not as if Spielberg hadn't done jack shit since "E.T." when "Jurassic Park" came out. He was still making some outstanding films.

    (PS -- thanks, IMDB.)
     
  3. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    I'm not going to consider sequels original material.
     
  4. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    How convenient.
     
  5. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    I'll send you a dictionary if you give me an address.
     
  6. ArnoldBabar

    ArnoldBabar Active Member

    Point is, Simon, the guy was still pretty much Hollywood gold at that time, your acceptance of sequels notwithstanding.
     
  7. Twoback

    Twoback Active Member

     
  8. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Ding, ding, ding!

    I'm also not sure why Simon would hook onto his "original material" premise to infer Spielberg didn't have any hits in 11 years before 1993 when neither "Jurassic Park" -- novel originally written by Michael Crichton -- nor "Schindler's List" -- novel originally written by Thomas Keneally -- were original material.

    I'll send you a dictionary if you give me an address.
    [/quote]

    My dictionary's definition of original (or at least the salient definition) is: never having occurred or existed before; fresh; new. The fact is, the entire plots of "Temple of Doom" and "Last Crusade" never existed before George Lucas put pen to paper and Spielberg started his cameras rolling, the same way "Empire Strikes Back" or "Return of the Jedi" didn't. They were original material, even if they shared characters with a previous film. They were certainly more original than "Jurassic Park" or "Schindler's List."

    But please, by all means, send me your dictionary.

    Mail it to:
    Bigpern23
    49 Suck It Lane
    Spielberg Had Hits, CA
    91608

    :p
     
  9. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    My dictionary's definition of original (or at least the salient definition) is: never having occurred or existed before; fresh; new. The fact is, the entire plots of "Temple of Doom" and "Last Crusade" never existed before George Lucas put pen to paper and Spielberg started his cameras rolling, the same way "Empire Strikes Back" or "Return of the Jedi" didn't. They were original material, even if they shared characters with a previous film. They were certainly more original than "Jurassic Park" or "Schindler's List."

    But please, by all means, send me your dictionary.

    Mail it to:
    Bigpern23
    49 Suck It Lane
    Spielberg Had Hits, CA
    91608

    :p

    [/quote]imply

    And a sequel is simply nowhere close to the same thing as adapting material onto the screen for the first time.

    chrissakes
     
  10. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    imply

    And a sequel is simply nowhere close to the same thing as adapting material onto the screen for the first time.

    chrissakes
    [/quote]

    Simon, I think part of your post got deleted.

    From what I read there, it sounds as if you are saying that adapting material from a book or other sources qualifies as "original material," whereas writing an entirely new sequel from scratch does not.

    This seems like an odd stance. It also does not address the fact that Spielberg directed "The Color Purple" and "Empire of the Sun" which combined for 17 Oscar nominations during that 11-year span. Hell, aside from critical acclaim, "The Color Purple" made $100 million at the box office and $50 million in rentals.

    I don't think I'm understanding your position here.
     
  11. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    Then I can't help you.

    A sequel involves the same crew, cast, characters, uses numerous templates.

    Taking something from a book, as a director, is much more original, and difficult.
     
  12. ArnoldBabar

    ArnoldBabar Active Member

    I still don't understand what the hell your original/unoriginal tangent has to do with the thread.
     
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