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SJ Dem Primary II

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Boom_70, Jan 22, 2008.


Who do want on Democratic ticket for President?

  1. Barack

  2. Hillary

  3. John

  1. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Lets re poll based on last nights debate and see if any minds have changed

    Here are final results of previous poll :

    Obama 62 (59%)
    Hillary 18 (17.1%)
    Edwards 25 (23.8%)
  2. Mr. Homer

    Mr. Homer Member

    See ya later, Billary
  3. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    See also: scientific polls, New Hampshire democratic primary.
  4. Oz

    Oz Active Member

    Not for me.
  5. MU_was_not_so_hard

    MU_was_not_so_hard Active Member

    As much as I saw a few things from Obama I didn't like last night, I still think he's got a. the best chance of winning, and b. the best chance of uniting people to make serious changes overseas.
  6. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

  7. Chi City 81

    Chi City 81 Guest

    I'm guessing the use of first names only was a little joke after what 21 said yesterday, eh, Boomer? ;)
  8. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    There's a good argument to be made that Obama is the establishment candidate here. He definitely has the backing of the majority of the post-Clinton establishment.
  9. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest


    Hillary Clinton has been a policy wonk most of her life, a trait she has carried into the U.S. Senate. As her debate performances have shown, she has intelligence and a deep understanding of many issues. Her efforts in New York focused first on learning her adopted state’s issues in detail, and pursuing legislation that would not necessarily grab headlines.

    But we also have a good idea what a Clinton presidency would look like. The restoration of the Clintons to the White House would trigger a new wave of all-out political warfare. That is not all Bill and Hillary’s fault - but it exists, whomever you blame, and cannot be ignored. Hillary Clinton doesn’t pretend that it won’t happen; she simply vows to persevere, in the hope that her side can win. Indeed, the Clintons’ joint career in public life seems oriented toward securing victory and personal vindication.

    Sen. Obama’s campaign is an argument for a more unifying style of leadership. In a time of great partisanship, he is careful to talk about winning over independents and even Republicans. He is harsh on the failures of the current administration - and most of that critique well-deserved. But he doesn’t use his considerable rhetorical gifts to demonize Republicans. He’s not neglecting his core values; he defends his progressive vision with vigorous integrity. But for him, American unity - transcending party - is a core value in itself.

    Can such unity be restored, in this poisonous political culture? Not unless that is a nominee’s goal from the outset. It will be a difficult challenge for any candidate; but we wait in the hope that someone really will try. There is no other hope for rescuing our republic from the mire.

    Sen. Obama would also have the best chance to repair the damage to America’s global reputation. A leader with his biography - including his roots in Africa and his years spent growing up overseas - could transform the world’s view of America. He would seize that opportunity.

    He would close the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, which has damaged America’s moral standing, and strive to rebuild many diplomatic relationships.

    Despite America’s bitter partisan divide, all sides should agree on this: In such an environment, little gets done. Congress has been largely useless under both Republican and Democratic leadership. Setting aside the ideological conflict for conflict’s sake to get anything worthwhile done has fallen severely out of fashion.

    And America certainly has things to get done.

    From terrorism and climate change to runaway federal entitlement spending, there are big challenges to be faced. Sen. Obama is the only Democrat who plausibly can say that he wants to work with Americans across the political spectrum to address such subjects - and he has the integrity and the skills of persuasion that make him the best-qualified among the remaining Democratic hopefuls to address these challenges.

    He would be a groundbreaking nominee. More to the point, he makes a solid case that he is ready to lead the whole country. We see Sen. Barack Obama as the best choice in Saturday’s Democratic primary.
  10. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    I don't get the idea to vote Obama because the right wingers will be mean to Hillary.
  11. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    I think the idea is to vote for someone who wants to win people over to his point of view rather than someone who wants to bunker down and survive.
  12. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    What is your official title with the campaign? Is your position paid or unpaid?
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