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SCOTUS: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!, May 17, 2010.

  1. Law_Student

    Law_Student New Member

    This decision does not rule on the due process implications of this law -- only on whether the Federal government has the power to write this type of law.

    States have long held the power to, for instance, commit mentally ill individuals against their will -- with a process of judicial review and a burden of proof on the state -- if they are deemed a danger to society.

    All this decision says is that the Constitution grants the Federal government the same power. It doesn't rule on whether this particular law violates the Constitution in numerous other ways. Which it well might.
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    And who argued the case before the Court, Law_Student?
     
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    The same person that argued Citizens Union vs. FEC.

    And, according to Obama, that case should have been a layup.

    It's one of six cases she's ever tried in her life.
     
  4. Smash Williams

    Smash Williams Well-Known Member

    Question - don't states already have this power under to the involuntary commitment when someone is a danger to himself or others statute, or does that necessitate classifying sexual crimes as a mental illness, which is a whole other can of worms?
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Nope. You are correct. States can civilly commit someone. And most have those types of laws.

    The reason this ruling is problematic is that the case challenged a federal law, not a state law. And Congress has certain powers enumerated in the Constitution (article 1, section 8 ). Its power to enact criminal statutes is supposed to be limited to those powers.

    But the days of the Supreme Court actually upholding the Constitution, rather than acting as an unelected legislature of its own, are long gone.
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Involuntary commitment, however, is generally limited in duration.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It's only limited by what a judge decrees. There are usually guidelines, such as the person has to be considered dangerous to themself or others or they aren't able to take care of their own health and safety. There isn't a time limit on that sort of thing.
     
  8. Law_Student

    Law_Student New Member

    The issue of the constitutionality of preventative detainment of convicted sex offenders on due process grounds came before the court in Kansas v. Hendricks 521 U.S. 346 (1997), and was ruled constitutional on a 5-4 decision. (Scalia, Thomas, Rhenquist, O’Connor, Kennedy).

    This ruling merely states that such a power is also granted to the federal government under the necessary and proper clause.

    It's an interesting position for Scalia and Thomas to take. Essentially, they're saying the necessary and proper clause gives the federal government the power to establish a prison and hold prisoners to protect enumerated rights only. The example they use is that Congress has the enumerated power to establish post offices and it is necessary and proper to punish those who steal the mail in order to carry out their enumerated power.

    The other justices -- to varying degrees -- take a wider view of the clause.
     
  9. Football_Bat

    Football_Bat Well-Known Member

    Scalia and Thomas march in lockstep when it comes to privacy matters as well as personal liberties. So not a surprising vote.
     
  10. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    At this point, we've had medical doctors, psychologists, etc. analyzing what makes sexual predators tick -- or they've tried. There's a high recidivism rate. I'm not sure what the answer is but we have to keep these monsters away from our children, some way, somehow.
     
  11. Smash Williams

    Smash Williams Well-Known Member

    Given the numbers earlier in this thread, I'm not sure the recidivism rate is all that much higher than for your general domestic violence guy, felony drunk driver, drug dealer or burglar though...
     
  12. JakeandElwood

    JakeandElwood Well-Known Member

    Right, how long until you begin justifying this for any crime?
     
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