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Ron Paul: Man of Integrity

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by TheSportsPredictor, Sep 15, 2011.

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  1. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    We'd probably need to do that before they get sick.

    Otherwise, it would be a bit icky.
     
    Oggiedoggie, Sep 15, 2011
    #25
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    And yet our medical costs per capita are the highest in the world.
     
    Azrael, Sep 15, 2011
    #26
  3. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    I blame speculators.
     
    RickStain, Sep 15, 2011
    #27
  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2009/07/27/speculators-bet-reform-won’t-hurt-industry/

    http://www.zacks.com/research/get_news.php?id=258l1853
     
    Azrael, Sep 15, 2011
    #28
  5. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    See? As always, I was right.
     
    RickStain, Sep 15, 2011
    #29
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The U.S. also has the highest GDP in the world, which gives us more ability to pay more. That is important.

    There is a high correlation (and this is based on regression analysis, which is purely scientific) between a country's wealth and its health care spending (GDP explains close to 90 percent of the variation between countries).

    Saying we spend more per capita is true. But we also earn more per capita than most of the places you are comparing us to, so in terms of standard of living are we REALLY worse off than France, for example? Are we actually doing better?

    Even adjusted for the GDP correlation, the U.S. DOES spend a fair degree more than other countries, but not nearly as extreme as the "we spend more" argument usually suggests. Part of it is higher administrative costs, which are extreme here. Part of it is defensive medicine due to malpractice laws that cripple doctors. But part of it is also that we do procedures way more liberally, which even if we are wasteful, wouldn't suggest as you previously did that we have inferior care.
     
    The Big Ragu, Sep 15, 2011
    #30
  7. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    Not gloating at all.
    Being flippant, not gloating.
     
    Buck, Sep 15, 2011
    #31
  8. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    If he owed $400,000 upon his death, isn't it a false claim to say he died because he lacked health care.

    I'm also not sure why Ron Paul would be responsible of his bills. (Or why his mother would be.)

    But, if you think this guy had it bad, you should meet this guy:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

    Maybe he has a relative who could help him out.
     
    YankeeFan, Sep 15, 2011
    #32
  9. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    It does not appear that he died from lack of health care.
    Further, Paul has not changed his stance despite the fact that someone with whom he was close fell seriously ill while uninsured.
    I don't see the hypocrisy.
     
    Buck, Sep 15, 2011
    #33
  10. HejiraHenry

    HejiraHenry Well-Known Member

    No, they have you to cover the bill. Feel better now?
     
    HejiraHenry, Sep 16, 2011
    #34
  11. Stitch

    Stitch Active Member

    I didn't understand why the mother would be on the hook, unless she offered to be responsible for some reason.

    Of course, getting others to pay doesn't always work out, especially if the mom gambles it all away.

    http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article557165.ece
     
    Stitch, Sep 16, 2011
    #35
  12. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    I just hate this kind of thinking, and I especially hate it in politics. It takes 15 seconds of rational thought to realize that the merits of the system Ron Paul advocates cannot in any way be measured by whether or not someone close to him died in a hospital without insurance. It appeals to emotion and lets people pat themselves on the back for being on the good side without having to put any thought into anything.
     
    RickStain, Sep 16, 2011
    #36
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