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Report: Yahoo! snooped on people's e-mail for NSA / FBI

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by The Big Ragu, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Exclusive: Yahoo secretly scanned customer emails for U.S. intelligence - sources

    More evidence that the worst fears of civil libertarians have come to fruition.

    My opinion: It's bad enough that the warrants the CIA / NSA can get rubber stamped, forcing companies to hand over info about their customers, are done secretly. It's antithetical to everything America pays lip service to valuing. But in this case, Yahoo! not only complied like a sheep, it sounds like they agreed to the broadest of directives -- in which EVERYONE was snooped on by Big Brother in a wide dragnet, and on top of it, they agreed to write a special program to search people's e-mails. What Apple at least fought last year with the FBI trying to strong arm them to hack that phone. So Yahoo! effectively turned their business over to the NSA and didn't tell their customers that they were violating them. It's shameful -- from the perspective of our government having gotten out of control and turned into something Orwellian, and worse, from the perspective of Yahoo!, which just went along with it. You couldn't pay me enough to do any sort of business with any of Yahoo!'s dogshit businesses.
    bigpern23 likes this.
  2. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    The Fourth Amendment isn't one of the important amendments.
  3. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    What did the CIA and NSA do with everyone's fantasy sports information? Anyone here use Yahoo for anything else?
    PS: Ragu, I agree with you completely. It is not only outrageous, it doesn't work. Our terrorist catchers are drowning in a sea of useless (to them) data.
  4. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    So you're saying someone cares about my fantasy team after all?
  5. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    The important thing to remember is that management got their bonuses and options. And golden parachutes.
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    To me, the bolded part doesn't matter -- even though I think you are right. I don't even want to have the conversation about "whether it works or not." Ends don't justify means.

    It's what Creosote said. We're supposed to be free from that kind of thing -- it treats everyone like a criminal or enemy, and puts us under the thumb of a secretive organization that isn't beholden to anyone and will grab more and more power to try to control everyone (and will run over people and their freedoms). We're not free people when we go down that road. Let the FBI try to catch criminals. But they should be doing it by gathering evidence with probable cause demonstrating that whoever they target actually broke the law. And they should have a high bar to hurdle to get permission to surveil anyone. The fact that they get rubber stamps to put everyone under surveillance a la the KGB is just wrong. And screw Yahoo! for not fighting it and going public.
  7. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    If you have nothing to hide, why worry?
  8. JimmyHoward33

    JimmyHoward33 Well-Known Member

    It's creepy and it's Orwellian and it sucks.

    But is there any chance the possibility this could happen is buried in the terms of service that just about everyone scrolls through and doesn't read?
  9. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    A couple guys in my fantasy league already mentioned moving to a different host next year because of this. A small and ultimately insignificant gesture, to be sure, but as you noted, nobody uses it for anything else, so realistically, it's the only way for users to voice their disapproval.
  10. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member

    Hold up, folks. I still use Yahoo mail, as do many people I know (we hold weekly get togethers). Don't relegate us to the Excite bin quite yet. It's tabs feature makes it so much easier for me to use with work than Gmail. And because of that, I will stay with it through every privacy intrusion, every security hack, every time it randomly and inexplicably goes down. But, yes, this report is incredible and outrageous.
  11. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    I'm suggesting the NIAFL move to another host next baseball season.
    This is disturbing. The large number of people who believed that Apple should've complied last year was disturbing.
    The growing number of Americans who are unconcerned about this type of government overreach and intrusion is disturbing.
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  12. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    I use Yahoo Mail as my spam bin. I hope the NSA had fun reading through that shit.
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