Remember that whole Climategate thing?

TrooperBari · Feb 20, 2012

outofplace said:

Point of Order said:

Still amazes me that this issue has "sides".
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I'm not. You have people with money desperately trying to cloud the issue for their own self-interest. Then you have people on one side of the aisle who have issues with science to begin with, so they are happy to have an excuse to dismiss it.
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I think we've moved beyond mere dismissal into full attack mode.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/feb/19/science-scepticism-usdomesticpolicy

Most scientists, on achieving high office, keep their public remarks to the bland and reassuring. Last week Nina Fedoroff, the president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), broke ranks in a spectacular manner.

She confessed that she was now "scared to death" by the anti-science movement that was spreading, uncontrolled, across the US and the rest of the western world.

"We are sliding back into a dark era," she said. "And there seems little we can do about it. I am profoundly depressed at just how difficult it has become merely to get a realistic conversation started on issues such as climate change or genetically modified organisms."

The remarks of Fedoroff, one of the world's most distinguished agricultural scientists, are all the more remarkable given their setting.

She made them at the AAAS annual meeting, an event at which scientists normally revel in their latest accomplishments: new insights into marine biology or first results from a recently launched satellite, for example.

But this year there has been a palpable chill to proceedings. Yes, good work was reported to the 8,000 who attended the various symposia and lectures at the meeting in Vancouver.

However, these pronouncements were set against a background of an entire intellectual discipline that realises that it, and its practitioners, are now under sustained attack.

As Fedoroff pointed out, university and government researchers are hounded for arguing that rising carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are changing the climate. Their emails are hacked while Facebook campaigns call for their dismissal from their posts, calls that are often backed by rightwing politicians. At the last Republican party debate in Florida, Rick Santorum insisted he should be the presidential nominee simply because he had cottoned on earlier than his rivals Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney to the "hoax" of global warming.
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93Devil · Feb 20, 2012

What the Koch Brothers are doing really is a beautiful piece of propoganda.

It costs my division 30% less, a savings to taxpayers of almost $200,000 each year, just to heat schools with propane, but when we do this we have GOPers screaming at us that oil is the way to go.

It really is amazing how these people have been conditioned.

And before anyone asks, that is a savings based on a cost per British Thermal Unit analysis.

Ben_Hecht · Feb 20, 2012

Armchair_QB said:

I've always found it interesting how "global warming" morphed into "climate change" without anybody noticing.
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. . . long one of the AM talk-radio dodges . . . take a look at the polar ice caps, please, and get back to us.

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