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Political Courage Rewarded?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Looks like voting for gay marriage isn't the political death penalty many thought -- even for Republicans.

    Maybe our President and other politicians of both parties will have the same courage as these four New York State Republicans, and come out strongly for gay marriage.

    Bill Keller in the New York Times Magazine:

  2. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    The right wing shriek machine is going berserk over Obama's failure to support their good friends in the LGBT community.

    I am concerned.
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    It's a civil rights issue.

    It's not a right or left issue.
  4. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Uh huh.
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Dick Cheney, Ken Mehlman, Laura Bush and many more are on one side of the issue.

    Barack Obama, Bill & Hillary Clinton, and many more are on the other side.

    So, tell me, how is this a Republican vs. Democrat issue?

    The elderly, Catholics (who skew Democrat), African-Americans, and Hispanics are all against gay marriage. That does not sound like the Republican base to me.
  6. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member

    Sorry, but this is one of the all-time disingenuous arguments.

    Yes, for (I believe misguided) political reasons, Obama and the Clintons have been opposed.

    A former Republican VP with a gay daughter and a former Republican First Lady feel differently. Yippee.

    Meanwhile, the guy who won states as the "true conservative" in the GOP race believes gay sex should be outlawed, and gay marriage has been a big get-out-the-vote downticket issue for Republicans.

    Feel free to criticize Obama's stance, because he deserves it, but let's not pretend it's not a right or left issue.
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Dispute this then:

    "The elderly, Catholics (who skew Democrat), African-Americans, and Hispanics are all against gay marriage. That does not sound like the Republican base to me. "

    Or, tell me why these four Republicans featured in Keller's article do not appear to paying a political price?
  8. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    I dunno, if gay marriage is such an awesome groovy thing everybody should support, how come the 90% of all the other Republicans, who vehemently oppose it, aren't paying a political price?

    I was concerned before, and even more concerned now. ::) ::)
  9. Catholics don't skew Democrat. Look at the last 4 presidential elections. Then look at the Catholic vote. No statistical difference between the overall vote and the Catholic vote will be found.
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Traditionally Democrat. Now, more of a swing vote.

    Either way, it still proves my point. Catholics are more likely to be against gay marriage. They are not any more likely to be Republican. They're divided.
  11. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member


    The fact that you can name groups that may vote Democratic but oppose gay marriage is evidence of something?

    How about we check with Gallup:


    69% of Democrats support gay marriage. 28% of Republicans support it.

    And four lawmakers in a liberal state are not suffering for supporting gay marriage? Knock me over with a feather.
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  12. dreunc1542

    dreunc1542 Active Member

    Walked right into that one.
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