Penguins Arena Deal Done?

sports scrub · Mar 13, 2007

Armchair_QB said:

sports scrub said:

as far as the taxpayers footing the bill for the arena, not a dime is coming from their wallets, it is 100% financed by gambling money and the Penguins
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Are the people who gamble not taxpayers?
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it's not coming from tax money , it's coming from the revenues generated by those people putting their hard earned quarters into a slot machine

Armchair_QB · Mar 13, 2007

sports scrub said:

Armchair_QB said:

sports scrub said:

as far as the taxpayers footing the bill for the arena, not a dime is coming from their wallets, it is 100% financed by gambling money and the Penguins
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Are the people who gamble not taxpayers?
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it's not coming from tax money , it's coming from the revenues generated by those people putting their hard earned quarters into a slot machine
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Instead of sending their hard-earned money to the city fathers, who have done nothing to earn it.

Smasher_Sloan · Mar 13, 2007

outofplace said:

Smasher_Sloan said:

sports scrub said:

as far as the taxpayers footing the bill for the arena, not a dime is coming from their wallets, it is 100% financed by gambling money and the Penguins, as far as the Penguins kicking in more money, it is reported that they are contributing about $4.2 millper year for the next 30, Pittsburgh needed a new arena whether it has the Penguins or not, what other tenant was going to kick in that kind of dough, the new arena will be state of the art, attracting more concerts and events that in turn will be more money for Allegheny county that it can contribute to schools, police or whatever it wants, I don't see a downside to this except for the fact that the state has sold its soul for slots parlor
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I love this kind of thinking. Did you ever think that the gambling money paying for the arena could have been used to pay for other things, like schools? Public money is public money. It doesn't matter what drawer you pull it from.
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A fine point, except for the fact that the gambling initiative was approved with the idea in mind that they money would go to the arena. There is a very strong chance that the money would not have been available if it wasn't for the need for the arena.
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Pennsylvania was NOT going to have casino gambling unless the money was going to build an arena in Pittsburgh? Damn generous of the voters in Philly to approve that, then. I don't live there, but I can smell the bullshit on this theory from a considerable distance.

outofplace · Mar 13, 2007

Smasher_Sloan said:

outofplace said:

Smasher_Sloan said:

sports scrub said:

as far as the taxpayers footing the bill for the arena, not a dime is coming from their wallets, it is 100% financed by gambling money and the Penguins, as far as the Penguins kicking in more money, it is reported that they are contributing about $4.2 millper year for the next 30, Pittsburgh needed a new arena whether it has the Penguins or not, what other tenant was going to kick in that kind of dough, the new arena will be state of the art, attracting more concerts and events that in turn will be more money for Allegheny county that it can contribute to schools, police or whatever it wants, I don't see a downside to this except for the fact that the state has sold its soul for slots parlor
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I love this kind of thinking. Did you ever think that the gambling money paying for the arena could have been used to pay for other things, like schools? Public money is public money. It doesn't matter what drawer you pull it from.
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A fine point, except for the fact that the gambling initiative was approved with the idea in mind that they money would go to the arena. There is a very strong chance that the money would not have been available if it wasn't for the need for the arena.
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Pennsylvania was NOT going to have casino gambling unless the money was going to build an arena in Pittsburgh? Damn generous of the voters in Philly to approve that, then. I don't live there, but I can smell the bullshit on this theory from a considerable distance.
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That is where the support in Pittsburgh came up and how the issue got a positive push. You can make your assumptions all you like. They don't match the facts, but knock yourself out.

outofplace · Mar 13, 2007

Oh yeah...now that I'm seeing actual announcements on reputable websites with Rendell and Ravenstahl confirming the deal....

Fuck you, Kansas City!

cougargirl · Mar 13, 2007

Where's typewriterhill when you need his take on this?

outofplace · Mar 13, 2007

cougargirl said:

Where's typewriterhill when you need his take on this?
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What, you don't think, "Fuck you, Kansas City!" sums it up nicely? hehe

cougargirl · Mar 14, 2007

outofplace said:

cougargirl said:

Where's typewriterhill when you need his take on this?
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What, you don't think, "Fuck you, Kansas City!" sums it up nicely? hehe
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Oh, but he sums it up so much more eloquently! (hello, twh! )

Smasher_Sloan · Mar 14, 2007

Hey, if you're a hockey fan and you're happy the team is staying, fine.

But this crap about the economic impact of a team consistently hasn't measured up. Cleveland built new venues for baseball, football and basketball and it has the highest poverty rate in the US.

Sports teams are a feelgood, especially for Rust Belt cities that have had industries abandon them. But a big boost to the economy? No. There are better ways for cities and states to spend the money.

Oz · Mar 14, 2007

I don't care about the economic impact, I'm not there anymore. I just care that they're staying, period.

DisembodiedOwlHead · Mar 14, 2007

Pro sports teams do legitimize cities and help them potentially attract and keep business. Too bad Cleveland hasn't figured out the magic potion yet.

Smasher_Sloan · Mar 14, 2007

You know what attracts and keeps business? Low taxes. Taxes are rarely low in cities where they're paying off sports venues.

If that magic potion works so well, why did so much industry disappear from Pittsburgh in the '70s, when the city was on top of the NFL and MLB world?

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