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OK Jurors, he said he did it. Everyone understand?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by cjericho, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. cjericho

    cjericho Well-Known Member

  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I don't see where it says the jurors ever misinterpreted this.
     
  3. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Due process, due schmrocess, amirite?

    By the way, just to be clear, he confessed eight years ago. It was thrown out on appeal four years ago. He just pled guilty during the recent retrial. So it's not like he's a free man.
     
  4. cjericho

    cjericho Well-Known Member

    The judge didn't give information on the relevance of his mental condition, so he won the appeal. So now they get the information and he will most likely die in jail. That was what would have happened after the original trial.
     
  5. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Right. So your problem is with his right to due process.
     
  6. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    I'm confused. The conviction was thrown out upon appeal and then he was tried again?
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It sounds like he got his due process rights and THEN some. He was found guilty in a jury trial. ... and then an appeals court threw out the conviction from the trial on something procedural. When it was sent back for a new trial, he pled guilty the second time around (probably to save himself some prison time for sparing them another trial -- first time around he got 50 years after going to trial, second time around he got off with "only" 30 years for pleading).

    This guy was not deprived of his due process rights. He got more chance at getting himself off than most people do.
     
  8. JakeandElwood

    JakeandElwood Well-Known Member

    You can have a conviction thrown out with an instruction for a retrial as opposed to being declared innocent.
     
  9. cjericho

    cjericho Well-Known Member

    Thought the intent of an appeal was to correct a mistake and help someone who is innocent not get sent to prison. Guess it's no problem if someone who is guilty gets to walk away.
     
  10. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    If the proper procedures weren't followed, he didn't get "due process."
     
  11. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    They appealed because his mental condition was a cornerstone of their argument, and information about that mental condition was withheld from the jury.

    This isn't hard.
     
  12. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    OK, gotcha. That wasn't clear from the story.
     
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