Obama's Brother in Kenya Says He Was Raised Muslim

Deep, you fucking idiot ... I'd advise you to apply logic and critical thinking techniques, but you need functioning cranial neurons for that.

So I'll spell it out for you, and I'll use small words in large type.

Malik Obama did not meet Barack Obama until 1985, when Barack Obama was 21 years old. Malik Obama was not around when Barack Obama was being raised. Malik Obama has no idea whether Barack Obama was raised Muslim.

Also, the J-Post was not the originator of the story, either. Try again. So far, you have nothing.

 

So am I right in thinking that this will be on the front of the NYT and the WP tomorrow?

 

He didn't even say it in the article in the Jerusalem Post.

 

Obama's Indonesian years, 1967-71:

His attendance at a Catholic school;
His attendance at a public school;
His step-father, Lolo Soetoro; and
His friend, Zulfan Adi.
To start with, about the Catholic school, Fransiskus Strada Asisia, which Obama attended 1967-70 (words in square brackets are added by me):

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades. At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said [Israella Pareira] Darmawan, Obama's former [1st-grade] teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia [including by the Los Angeles Times], also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.


Barack Obama with his public school classmates in Indonesia.

About Obama's time at a public elementary school, 1970-71, variously known as the Sekolah Dasar Nasional Menteng No. 1 or the Basuki school, Barker writes:

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours learning about the Christian religion.

During a recent visit to this public school, Barker found that

Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that."

About Obama's step-father, Lolo Soetoro and his religiosity, Barker writes:

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company. "Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry [a nickname for Barack] went to the mosque with Lolo."

Barker learned from his friends and family that Lolo Soetoro, who died in 1987, was "much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim" and "hardly the image of a pious Muslim."

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled.

As for Zulfan Adi, cited in the Los Angeles Times piece:

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Does any of the above information from the Chicago Tribune article refute my analysis, as MMfA contends? It raises questions about two details in the Los Angeles Times account (the accuracy of the Catholic school's registration form and the reliability of Zulfan Adi as a source on Obama). But on the larger issue of Obama's religious practices during his Jakarta years, it confirms the Times account. Note in particular three excerpts from Barker's article:

"Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia" – implying he was an irregularly practicing Muslim.
"Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said" – confirming that he did pray in the mosque.
"Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family [said that] ‘Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo'" – confirming that Obama attended mosque services.
All this matters, for if Obama once was a Muslim, he is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion who must be executed. Were he elected president of the United States, this status, clearly, would have large potential implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

In sum: Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates my statement that he "for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father."

Therefore, what the "Obama-Muslim falsehood" is in fact confirmed by both articles as truthful and accurate.

Calling this a falsehood is in itself a falsehood
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

 

Did the article say if his was shiite muslim?

 

First of all, how do we even know Barack Obama's Muslim? What if there's no truth to Malik Obama's claim? Even if he were Muslim, what the hell does that have to do with his ability to be president?

This "story" has no legs. It's a non-issue, period.

 

I'm guessing the RNC will take copies of that picture of Obama in muslim garb and turn it into a billboard in the South.

It might be a cheap shot, but so is making fun of a war hero for being old.

 

It makes me sad that anyone would go to such great lengths to prove someone belongs to a legitimate religion, and the fact it's not even true.

What bothers me more is how making Obama a muslim, or anyone, for that matter, is some kind of poison pill that hurts their chances at running for public office. Where in the constitution does it say thou must be a christian to be president? Obama's not a muslim, this argument is old, tired and absurd, but if he were, what's the big fucking deal?

 

LOL at citing nutjob Daniel Pipes, d_b. Was Michelle Malkin not available?

 

Here we go. Some nutbag posts a bunch of crap posited by somebody named "Daniel Pipes" and now we're going to debate whether Obama is "potentially lying." I really fear for this country.

 

d_b, once again proving "Idiocracy" wasn't a comedy but a prophecy.

 

Pipes is a radical anti-Muslim commentator/historian. He is the from far, far extreme right wing of the Jewish community who is almost obsessive in his hatred for Islam.