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NL Cy Young: Holy close vote, Batman

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by mb, Nov 19, 2009.

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  1. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Didn't cite W-L, go back and read.
    How was he the best pitcher? How was he better than Jurrjens?

    How come he got one whole vote? Of course, that IS more than Jurrjens.

    Vasquez doesn't belong in a Top 3 discussion. He and Jurrjens both belong in a Top 10.

    I'd take Hanson long term over both but we are talking about this year.

    But, overall, you are right. I'm ignorant. I don't know jackshit.

    Carry on.
     
    Moderator1, Nov 20, 2009
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  2. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    I did put in a quick call to someone who knows jackshit - My Son the Braves Fan.
    He says Vasquez is the Braves' third best pitcher overall and was second best this year, just barely - both should have won 4-5 more games with any kind of run support.
    Where's the best place to go to find run support? Baseball reference? After I have a little coffee, I may go look.

    We're basically splitting hairs here. Both had great years. Does anyone other than one voter think either belonged in the Top 3?

    I'm still waiting for one poster to answer why he thinks Wainwright doesn't belong in the conversation.
     
    Moderator1, Nov 20, 2009
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  3. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    It depends on how granular you want to get.

    Vazquez and Jurrjens were pretty much the same in terms of how many runs they gave up.

    In terms of the things that pitchers do to prevent runs (avoiding walks, getting strikeouts, avoiding HRs, even avoiding hits), Vazquez was much better in general (about the same in HR and H, a lot more Ks and a lot fewer BBs).

    I'm not a big fan of going that deep into peripherals for awards, though. For awards purposes, I'd consider them about equal.
     
    RickStain, Nov 20, 2009
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  4. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    I agree Rick. As I noted, it is splitting hairs. I'd take either one of them in a heartbeat.
    I'd still like to hear an argument as to why Wainwright isn't worthy.
     
    Moderator1, Nov 20, 2009
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  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    So would I. I thought he was a clear No. 3 behind Lincecum and Carpenter, but absolutely among the top 3 in the NL this year.
     
    outofplace, Nov 20, 2009
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