NFL WEEK 3 RUNNING THREAD : It's Bronko Nagurski time

pallister · Sep 18, 2008

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With Orton you get pummeled for four quarters; with Grossman, you get knocked out cold. Grossman is at his worst under pressure, so putting him in when a comeback is needed is a disaster waiting to happen.

93Devil · Sep 18, 2008

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Guy_Incognito said:

pallister said:

Grossman has lost all his confidence. The last thing I want to see is him trying to "lead" anything. I think he got a worse rap than he deserved in '06, but he did himself no favors since then by playing terribly every chance he's gotten and pouting when he wasn't anointed the starter. He hasn't earned what you're suggesting, Guy.

And Lovie is not a smart, creative (offensive) coach. And neither is anyone on staff. But unless and until Orton proves he can make plays, all the creativity in the world won't matter.
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With Orton in the game, the game is over if they fall 2 TDs down, unless Hester returns the KO. Grossman's problem is that he throws the big pick, but he still has the arm to make the big play. Bring him into a game that's lost anyway and give yourself a puncher's chance - worst case you lose by 24 instead of 10.
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Grossman does seem to be better suited to be a hot hand off the bench a la Don Strock.

When was the last time a team used the "hot handed backup" concept? Nothing is coming to mind. Maybe that's just me, but I cannot think of a recent example.

jakewriter82 · Sep 18, 2008

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pallister said:

With Orton you get pummeled for four quarters; with Grossman, you get knocked out cold. Grossman is at his worst under pressure, so putting him in when a comeback is needed is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Where's Jeff Garcia when you need him?
Orton = fail, Grossman = fail. Is it really that hard for the Bears to figure out?

Guy_Incognito · Sep 18, 2008

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pallister said:

With Orton you get pummeled for four quarters; with Grossman, you get knocked out cold. Grossman is at his worst under pressure, so putting him in when a comeback is needed is a disaster waiting to happen.
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That's not under pressure - the game is lost anyway.

93Devil said:

Guy_Incognito said:

pallister said:

Grossman has lost all his confidence. The last thing I want to see is him trying to "lead" anything. I think he got a worse rap than he deserved in '06, but he did himself no favors since then by playing terribly every chance he's gotten and pouting when he wasn't anointed the starter. He hasn't earned what you're suggesting, Guy.

And Lovie is not a smart, creative (offensive) coach. And neither is anyone on staff. But unless and until Orton proves he can make plays, all the creativity in the world won't matter.
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With Orton in the game, the game is over if they fall 2 TDs down, unless Hester returns the KO. Grossman's problem is that he throws the big pick, but he still has the arm to make the big play. Bring him into a game that's lost anyway and give yourself a puncher's chance - worst case you lose by 24 instead of 10.
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Grossman does seem to be better suited to be a hot hand off the bench a la Don Strock.

When was the last time a team used the "hot handed backup" concept? Nothing is coming to mind. Maybe that's just me, but I cannot think of a recent example.
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That's why I said you'd need a creative coach - a gutsy one too.

jakewriter82 · Sep 18, 2008

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I know Garcia's still with Tampa, but if any team should pull the trigger for him, it's the Bears

Tommy_Dreamer · Sep 18, 2008

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Piotr Rasputin said:

Isn't it BronKo Nagurski?
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Sorry, milwaukeeSportsJournalists.com hates me even more now

pallister · Sep 18, 2008

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I'm not ready to give up on Orton yet. This is really his first year as the starter. In '05, they had him so handcuffed, for good reason, that he didn't develop at all. The one thing he has been good at is limiting turnovers; that was Grossman's Achilles' heel, and it cost the Bears plenty of games. In the first half last week, Orton was reading defenses and adjusting well. He didn't do that in the second half, but I'll give him some more time before I write him off. If not for Greg Olsen, he'd be 2-0 with no interceptions so far this season.

pallister · Sep 18, 2008

OK, Guy, I'm sure Lovie will get right on the team's creative "Quarterback strategy when the game is lost" plan.

slappy4428 · Sep 18, 2008

Tommy_Dreamer said:

Piotr Rasputin said:

Isn't it BronKo Nagurski?
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Sorry, milwaukeeSportsJournalists.com hates me even more now
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Not as much as chicagosj probably does

Guy_Incognito · Sep 18, 2008

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OK, Guy, I'm sure Lovie will get right on the team's creative "Quarterback strategy when the game is lost" plan.
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Never said he would, just that he should.

BYH · Sep 18, 2008

Guy_Incognito said:

pallister said:

Or audible to a wide receiver screen on 3rd-and-1 with the game on the line?

Last I heard, Hester was gonna play. If Orton could occasionally make a play downfield, Forte could really make some noise. Although it won't be easy to run on Tampa. It should, however, be easy to force Griese into mistakes.
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A smart, creative coach would announce from the beginning that Orton is the starter, and will remain so. But in the games - almost inevitable taht there will be a couple in the NFL - where they fall behind by 10+ points early, Grossman comes in to try to lead them back. If they get back into the lead or even, Orton comes in to protects the win. No QB controversy, everyone plays, knows their roles and the team has the best chance to win.
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Didn't Dan Reeves try and fail miserably at that in the early 90s?

pallister · Sep 18, 2008

Yes, when Elway was injured, he alternated QBs. There's a reason that only works for middling college teams (or Florida). I think it was Tommy Maddox and Shawn Moore.

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