Murtha or Hoyer as majority leader

Even by your standard, Powell & Whitman both got cabinet appointments in a Bush administration, Snowe is a senator & Guiliani is one of the 2 or 3 front runners for the party's presidential nomination. You want to try to start comparing to that with pro-life Dems?

 

I'm confused. Your great-grandmother died in childbirth? Because of childbirth?

 

Interesting debate. I pose three scenarios for you guys to answer:

1. What if became blindingly clear that a girl named Pi Lai lacked the instincts to care for her fetus, was depressed since becoming pregnant, and had become too much the product of a pampered culture to change. If we sensed, clearly, the change in Pi Lai's demeanor, and all those closest to her knew that Pi Lai's child would be poorly cared for and a product of the system. But Pi Lai lives in a world where she can't choose and is forced to have her child, even though she was raped. Would you deem Pi Lai's situation unfair? I should mention Pi Lai is a giant panda, and her cub is worth $1 million dollars to a foreign zoo.

2. Roe v. Wade has been overturned and sent back to state legislatures; several have made it illegal to perform abortions. Young, liberal-minded Americans are so offended by the decisions of their elders that said states suffer record brain drain; all that's left are economic shells...which are gladly filled by conservatives seeking to move from states where abortion has been upheld. There are, then, a handful of abortion-free zones. Strangely, in these zones a certain element has taken hold: Organized crime. That's correct: Organized crime has entered the Midwest and South and set up, right across the river, cheap abortion houses in which young girls can get a safe, clean abortion for the right price. The newspapers are calling it the second great bootlegging operation in the last 100 years.

3. A modern pop performance artist willingly gets pregnant, willingly gets an abortion, requests the remains of the abortion, grinds it up in a blender, then bakes it in apple pie to serve to guests of her exhibit. It's her body, her fetus. It's sick, yes - but should it be illegal? At what point does the woman lose sovereignty over the remains of her baby?

 

Having 14 kids she may have died from no rest.

 

My great-grandmother died because the fetus had died inside of her. Doctor refused to then abort it, choosing not to believe her when she said she hadn't felt the fetus move for a few days, (allegedly) telling her "you just don't want anymore kids." Fetus began to rot inside her, she died from an overload of toxins.

And Boom, it's not as if birth control was readily available in Montana in the '20s.

 

That is a horrible story...but wasn't her death the result of poor medical care, rather than abortion laws? In those days, women died just as often (if not more often) from abortions.

 

The refusal to give her an abortion was poor medical care.

And I don't know the statistics for abortion deaths at the time, although there was a much higher rate for death in childbirth than there is now.

BTW (and very off topic): Love your new sig.

 

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