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Ms. Dowd Has Some 'Splainin' To Do.

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Fenian_Bastard, May 17, 2009.

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  1. Double J

    Double J Active Member

    wfw

    I have to say, it's kind of surreal when you get plagiarized by someone who writes for the NYT. Mostly, you're incredibly offended to have been ripped off. Bizarrely, you also think, "wow, someone who writes for the NYT thinks my stuff is good."

    Luckily, the cash settlement and the published acknowledgement of the co-opting helped me to cope with the "incredibly offended" part - a great definition of win-win. :)
     
    Double J, May 18, 2009
    #61
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Actually, as much as YOU might be personally pissed off when someone rips off your writing, lifting quotes is actually the lazy times two, not just lifting a passage of someone else's writing. To quote someone, you have to have interviewed the person--done the legwork. When you get into "quote lifting" territory, you are not only stealing from someone else's story, you are then passing it off as you having spoken to someone you didn't. Maybe others don't see the "two aggrieved people" in that (the journalist and the source)," but that was sort of the distinction in my head when I typed that. In Dowd's case, there is one aggrieved person, the writer. And even there, there are still degrees of aggrieved that I can't really describe -- I just know them when I see them. What she ripped off was insignificant. It wasn't a mind-blowing thought or idea. It's less serious to me than if she had ripped off a passage from Tolstoy and tried to pass it off as her own. I am sure the writer she ripped off would disagree. But I just sort of naturally make these distinctions, which is why I asked others if they had a sliding scale in their minds.
     
    The Big Ragu, May 18, 2009
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  3. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    The NYT should at least give her a week or two at home. Not doing something makes this a NYT problem and not a Dowd problem.
     
    DanOregon, May 18, 2009
    #63
  4. WaylonJennings

    WaylonJennings Guest

    I'm not typically one for Internet snark, but I loved this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allison-kilkenny/what-maureen-dowd-is-tryi_b_204616.html

    And no one can blame Dowd for being drawn to Marshall's idea. He's one smart guy, and winner of the prestigious Polk Award for excellence in journalism. Talking Points Memo has been hailed for "(leading) the news media in coverage of the politically motivated dismissals of United States attorneys across the country." While Dowd missed the attorneys-firing thing, she did come up with clever puns for Sarah Palin.
     
    WaylonJennings, May 18, 2009
    #64
  5. Some Guy

    Some Guy Active Member

    When Mo Dowd lied, no one died.
     
    Some Guy, May 18, 2009
    #65
  6. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    Josh Marshall has been oddly quiet on the issue. He hasn't made a peep about it on his blog today, and MSNBC said a they contacted him and he declined comment.
     
    Point of Order, May 18, 2009
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  7. Fenian_Bastard

    Fenian_Bastard Guest

    Josh has got some class.
    And Mo needs to lose six months just for that bullshit alibi she thought up.
     
    Fenian_Bastard, May 18, 2009
    #67
  8. Tucsondriver

    Tucsondriver Member

    Useless note about Dowd from her NYT bio:

    "Ms. Dowd joined The New York Times as a metropolitan reporter in 1983. She began her career in 1974 as an editorial assistant for The Washington Star, where she later became a sports columnist, metropolitan reporter and feature writer. When the Star closed in 1981, she went to Time magazine."


    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/maureendowd/index.html
     
    Tucsondriver, May 18, 2009
    #68
  9. Tucsondriver

    Tucsondriver Member

    Being lazy is one thing, and being a thief is another. Bad combination. Hope she gets fired.
     
    Tucsondriver, May 18, 2009
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  10. Fenian_Bastard

    Fenian_Bastard Guest

    She couldn't make the cut at the Plain-Dealer.
     
    Fenian_Bastard, May 18, 2009
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  11. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    As predicted, Dowd won't be disciplined in any way. Doing so would make Sulzberger, Keller and Andy Rosenthal, her three fraudulent superiors, look bad. Something to remember for their next pompous editorial on the "need for accountability" in OTHER PEOPLE!
     
    Michael_ Gee, May 18, 2009
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  12. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member

    Wasn't one of her first big stories for the Times about Biden cribbing parts of a speech during the 1988 campaign?
     
    Small Town Guy, May 18, 2009
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