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Mark Buerhle > Jack Morris?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, May 21, 2014.

  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Currently 7-1, 2.11 ERA, age 35 season.

    Better at ERA and ERA+ (3.81 to 3.90 and 118 to 105).

    Will eventually close in on innings (Morris currently leads approx. 3,800 to 2,900).

    Better at no-hitters (2 to 1).

    Better at perfect games (1 to 0).

    Both with classic postseason performances (Morris Game 7, Buerhle two wins and a save of WS-clinching game in 2005 postseason).

    Better at leading the league in IP (2 to 1).

    Wins TDB (Morris 254, Buerhle 193).

    Better at consecutive years of 200-plus IP (13 to 7).

    Mark Buerhle > Jack Morris?
  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member



    He might overall be better, I don't know, but you're trying too hard.
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I would give Morris the postseason edge - more starts, two WS to one for Buerhle. Game 7.

    Just wanted to point out that Buerhle did have a strong postseason, too.

    I'm surprised at how close they are.

    And I'd nonetheless be surprised if Buerhle stayed on the ballot for more than two years.
  4. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    I like Buehrle a lot, but he's not even in the Hall of Very Good. However, he's certainly a pitcher you like to have around, because he consistently pitches 200-230 innings a year, doesn't walk a lot of people, and has an ERA of between 3.50 and 4.20. It's amazing how consistent his numbers are, year-to-year.


    He's also great if you don't want to be at the ballpark all night. I liked Richard Roeper's line about Buehrle pitching like "a man who's late for dinner."
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Sounds a lot like Jack Morris.
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Mark Buerhle is a workhorse and a fine pitcher, but he has never been an ace.

    Jack Morris was.
  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    You would write a polemic if someone made this kind of argument in favor of one stock over another.
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks for that apples and oranges.

    People buy stocks based on their assumptions about a company's future performance. I already know what Jack Morris and Mark Buerhle have done.

    Apples and oranges.

    To the extent that I can use the present to guess about a company's future performance, I can quantify a stock's present value on its earnings and revenues relative to its price. It's clean, measurable and unambiguous. No guess work. No making up a gazillion stats. You have earnings. And the price you have to pay for those earnings.

    It's completely unlike comparing players for the Hall of Fame, which is subjective.

    And subjectively, people who watched Jack Morris during his day clearly thought more of him relative to his peers than people think of Mark Buerhle today. Morris got MVP votes 5 times. Cy Young votes 7 times. Buehrle has never gotten an MVP vote and has placed in the Cy Young voting once.

    People considered Morris an ace.
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I think Twitter is a better stock than Facebook.

    It feels like an ace stock to me when I visit the sites.
  10. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    People who cover the game are much smarter now.
  11. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Mark Buerhle is a great pitcher and an even better hurler.
  12. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    An even better Hurler:

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