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Let's punish women for excelling

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by abcdefg, Jul 11, 2006.

  1. abcdefg

    abcdefg Guest

    That's the suggestion by NY Times columnist John Tierney, who said taking away Title IX will help men in college compete with women.

    http://select.nytimes.com/2006/07/11/opinion/11Tierney.html?hp

    "I’m not suggesting that sports are a panacea for male education problems. Men are lagging behind women on campus for lots of reasons: less motivation and self-control, poorer academic skills. No matter what happens with Title IX, women will deservedly continue to outnumber men on campus and dominate the honor rolls.

    But because they’re now so dominant, they don’t need special federal protection in the one area that men excel. This playing field doesn’t need to be leveled."

    So, in other words, because women are working harder and excelling in the classroom, they should be punished by removing equity requirements in athletics. Does this make sense to anyone?

    Edit: I just realized if you don't get select, you can't read the whole op-ed piece. Uh, is it cool to post the whole thing?
     
  2. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Yeahhh!! Who do those beyotches think they are, anyway, taking scholarship money which could go to the seventh-string placekick-holder?
     
  3. Hammer Pants

    Hammer Pants Active Member

    Paging Pat Summitt. Pat Summitt, please report to the front desk.
     
  4. broadway joe

    broadway joe Guest

    Not only is it cool to post the whole thing, I'd encourage it. I hate those subscription areas.
     
  5. abcdefg

    abcdefg Guest

    July 11, 2006
    Op-Ed Columnist
    Let the Guys Win One
    By JOHN TIERNEY
    Suppose you’re the head of a school whose students belong to two ethnic groups, the Alphas and the Betas. The Alphas get better grades and are more likely to graduate. They dominate the school newspaper and yearbook, the band and the choir, the debate team and the drama club — virtually all extracurricular activities except for sports.

    How much time would you spend worrying about the shortage of Alpha jocks?

    Not much — unless, of course, the Alphas were women, the Betas were men, and you were being sued for not complying with Title IX. Then you would be desperately trying to end this outrageous discrimination.

    When Title IX was enacted in 1972, women were a minority on college campuses, and it sounded reasonable to fight any discrimination against them. But now men are the underachieving minority on campus, as a series by The Times has been documenting. So why is it so important to cling to the myth behind Title IX: that women need sports as much as men do?

    Yes, some women are dedicated athletes, and they should be encouraged with every opportunity. But a lot of others have better things to do, like study or work on other extracurricular activities that will be more useful to their careers. For decades, athletic directors have been creating women’s sports teams and dangling scholarships and hoping to match the men’s numbers, but they’ve learned that not even the Department of Education can eradicate gender differences.

    At the University of Maryland, the women’s lacrosse team won national championships year after year but still had a hard time getting 40 players to turn out for the team. The men’s team had no such trouble, because guys were more than willing to warm the bench even if they weren’t getting a scholarship, but the coach had to cut the extra ones to maintain the gender balance. The school satisfied Title IX, but to no one’s benefit.

    On or off campus, men play more team sports and watch more team sports. Besides enjoying the testosterone rushes, they have a better chance of glory — and of impressing the opposite sex. Thirty-four years after Title IX, most women’s games still attract sparse audiences. Both sexes would still rather watch men play games, especially football.

    College football is such a mass spectacle that it can’t really be compared with other sports. It’s more of a war rally or religious revival. But football’s unique popularity unfairly penalizes men because colleges fear flunking the “proportionality” test, which is the safest way to comply with Title IX. If the school doesn’t have enough female athletes to offset the huge football squad, it has to cut other men’s teams — or get rid of football, as some schools have done.

    Lately, though, as colleges have struggled with the declining number of men on campus, a few small schools have dared to start football teams. They argue that even if they end up with more male athletes, they’re still being fair because more men want to play sports. It’s not clear if this approach could survive a Title IX lawsuit; advocates for women’s sports complain it’s still discrimination. But the results on campus are already impressive, as Bill Pennington described in The Times yesterday.

    The new football teams have helped attract a lot of male and also some female students, boosting enrollment and tuition revenues. The teams have provided publicity and excitement, bringing in donations from businesses and alumni. Most important, the chance to play football has attracted boys who otherwise wouldn’t have gone to college.

    “We kind of trick them into seeing that getting an education is the real benefit,” said Mike Kemp, the coach of the football team started five years ago at Utica College in upstate New York.

    Besides attracting boys to campus, football and other sports help them stay in school. Provided they’re not at a school that lets jocks get away with anything, a good coach can provide them with the discipline — mandatory class attendance, supervised study periods, required grade-point average — that male students seem to need more than female students.

    I’m not suggesting that sports are a panacea for male education problems. Men are lagging behind women on campus for lots of reasons: less motivation and self-control, poorer academic skills. No matter what happens with Title IX, women will deservedly continue to outnumber men on campus and dominate the honor rolls.

    But because they’re now so dominant, they don’t need special federal protection in the one area that men excel. This playing field doesn’t need to be leveled.


    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company
     
  6. "Besides attracting boys to campus, football and other sports help them stay in school. Provided they’re not at a school that lets jocks get away with anything, a good coach can provide them with the discipline — mandatory class attendance, supervised study periods, required grade-point average — that male students seem to need more than female students."

    Yes, this is exactly what I think of when I think of Conference USA.
     
  7. Almost_Famous

    Almost_Famous Active Member

    Wouldn't all guys rather be with a woman who excelled at whatever they did?

    Be it sports, grades, whatever?
     
  8. alleyallen

    alleyallen Guest

    Uhm, I'm thinking no. If a woman outdrove you or dunked on you, while it's certainly acceptable because they're more skilled, it still doesn't bode well in the dating department. Seriously. How many ladies will be attracted to a man they can outdrive?
     
  9. I love a woman who can throw down on me.
     
  10. Cadet

    Cadet Guest

    The answer to that is a resounding no. Guys think it's cool at first, a novelty even, but eventually get jealous and then the relationship goes to hell.

    I'll be back to comment on this fucktard's column.
     
  11. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    I think his point is more geared to the NAIA/D-III type of school that is starting a team as an enticement to even out the male/female enrollment ratios. Nobody in CUSA save Tulane will seriously entertain dropping football over the next two decades.
     
  12. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    My first fun with quotes ever.
     
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