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I pledge allegiance ...

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by alleyallen, Jul 19, 2006.

  1. alleyallen

    alleyallen Guest

    WASHINGTON - The House, citing the nation's religious origins, voted Wednesday to protect the Pledge of Allegiance from federal judges who might try to stop schoolchildren and others from reciting it because of the phrase "under God."

    The legislation, a priority of social conservatives, passed 260-167. It now goes to the Senate where its future is uncertain.

    "We should not and cannot rewrite history to ignore our spiritual heritage," said Rep. Zach Wamp (news, bio, voting record), R-Tenn. "It surrounds us. It cries out for our country to honor God."

    Opponents said the legislation, which would bar federal courts from ruling on the constitutional validity of the pledge, would undercut judicial independence and would deny access to federal courts to religious minorities seeking to defend their rights.

    "We are making an all-out assault on the Constitution of the United States which, thank God, will fail," said Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

    The pledge bill would deny jurisdiction to federal courts, and appellate jurisdiction to the Supreme Court, to decide questions pertaining to the interpretation or constitutionality of the pledge. State courts could still decide whether the pledge is valid within the state.

    The legislation grew out of a 2002 ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that the pledge is unconstitutional when recited in public schools.

    The Supreme Court in 2004 reversed that decision on a technicality, saying Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow did not have legal standing to sue on behalf of his daughter because the mother had custody of the child. Newdow has since revived the case and last year a U.S. District Judge ruled in his favor.

    Newdow, an attorney and medical doctor, said in an interview that he hoped the bill would pass to expose the aims of its supporters. "They're willing to ruin this country so they can keep their God in our country. I love the fact that they are having a vote." He said he expected a final ruling in his case in about a year.

    Supporters argued that the "under God" phrase, added to the pledge in 1954, was intrinsic to the nation's heritage and traditions and must be shielded from unelected judges. "This is an issue that clearly resonates to what we are about as a country," said House Republican Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo.

    Rep. Todd Akin (news, bio, voting record), R-Mo., who sponsored the measure, said that denying a child the right to recite the pledge was a form of censorship. "We believe that there is a God who gives basic rights to all people and it is the job of the government to protect those rights."

    Davison Douglas, a professor at the William and Mary School of Law, said constitutional scholars are divided over whether such congressional restrictions on judicial review would pass constitutional muster.

    He noted that "past efforts to bar all federal court review of hot-button social issues have consistently failed. Hence, if this bill is enacted, it would be a highly significant landmark in terms of congressional efforts to control the actions of federal courts."

    One particular statement here irked me ... "We believe that there is a God who gives basic rights to all people, and it is the job of the government to protect those rights."

    So did God give me the right to say "F- you! I'm not saying the pledge?"

    So did God give me the right to say "You're a douchenozzle?"
  2. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    How a lawmaker could think this is constitutional is beyond me. Any high school student in a government class would know this is illegal.
  3. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    Whew! Now I can sleep at night.
  4. tyler durden 71351

    tyler durden 71351 Active Member

    The stupid-ass atheist dad who filed the whole lawsuit that started this mess and the stupid-ass congressmen who voted for this silly, unconstitutional law should be locked up in a room with each other for about 5 years.
  5. Football_Bat

    Football_Bat Well-Known Member

    Does Congress have the power to bar the nation's highest court from jurisdiction over congressional statute?

    Can't SCOTUS declare the very same statute banning it from jurisdiction unconstitutional?

    More red meat .....
  6. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    You mean when it was ADDED to the pledge, which in its original form contained no such mention of the Almighty.

    Only during the Red Scare of the 1950s was it deemed necessary to separate America from the Godless communists by adding "under God" to the pledge.
  7. leo1

    leo1 Active Member

    of course the court can look at this statute. the article posted above says the law bans the court from appellate review of constitutionality of the pledge. this statute, of course, is fair game.

    btw, i loved how the gay marriage ban, which was all the rage a couple weeks ago, died quietly and you barely heard a peep. fucking idiots. if they could stop pandering for just half a day, maybe congress could actually govern for a change.
  8. Terence Mann

    Terence Mann Member

    Religious origins? Would that be a bunch of mostly aristocratic deists rebelling against the state religion of England and creating a government that believed in a separation of church and state? Those religious origins?
  9. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Would it be appropriate for a gay couple to pledge allegiance under God to a burning flag?
  10. alleyallen

    alleyallen Guest

    Here is a very legitimate question, and as such, I believe it deserves a serious and legitimate answer from anyone on this board who actually supports Congress in this effort: Would it be appropriate for a Muslim to substitute the words "Under Allah?"
  11. Idaho

    Idaho Active Member

    Not taking sides, but isn't Allah God?
  12. sportschick

    sportschick Active Member

    Is it OK if I substitute the phrase "Under Horny?" I am the chief priestess of the Horny/BBJ converts or something like that.
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