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Former Malaysian PM: "There is No Such Thing As a Moderate Muslim"

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by poindexter, Sep 15, 2006.

  1. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member


    Dr M: No such thing as a moderate Muslim

    ASTANA: There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim and US President George W. Bush is mistaken in casting his war on terror in terms of a "struggle for civilisation", former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad says.

    Mahathir, who is known for his frequent barbs against what he has called Western double standard, said he believed even the Sept 11, 2001 attacks on the US were at root linked to Israel's occupation of Palestinian land.

    "What is happening today has got nothing to do with religion. It has got to do with territorial disputes, mainly the dispute over Palestinian land," he told Reuters after a religious congress here.

    He said Bush's description of America's "war on terror" as "a struggle for civilisation" on the fifth anniversary of the attacks was flawed, as was the West's hope that moderate Muslims would have a dominant voice.

    "There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim," he said. "We are fundamentalists in Malaysia. We follow the true teachings of the religion and the true teachings do not teach us to bomb and kill people without reason."

    On Bush's comments, Mahathir, 81, said: "He's not civilised, he shouldn't be talking about civilising others."

    Although most of the men who carried out the Sept 11 attacks were Saudis, Mahathir - whom Israel has in the past dubbed anti-Semitic - said he saw the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands as the root cause of Islamist extremism.

    "They (the hijackers) had no direct link but there is a great deal of sympathy for the sufferings of the people of Palestine," he said.

    "Maybe that is because they are co-religionists but it is not because their religion urges them to do so. The West tends to blame religion, they blame Islam for whatever happens and associate Islam with terrorism," he said.

    He said he believed dubbing a fight against Islamic extremism as a struggle for civilisation risked becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    "(Muslims) are without arms, they are weak and they are pushed into a corner. If you are pushed into a corner and the only thing you can do is bite, you bite," he said.

    The tactics used by the US and allies such as Britain were an attempt to "out-terrorise the terrorists" and would therefore fail, Mahathir said. - Reuters

    "Saddam Hussein terrorised his people, he killed many people. But how many did he kill compared to the numbers the Americans have caused to be killed?" he asked.

    "They have opened a Pandora's Box and you have a civil war." Mahathir provoked controversy throughout his long career. In 2003 he said Jews ruled the world by proxy, prompting condemnation from Israel and Western countries.

    The jailing of his former deputy Anwar Ibrahim in 1998 on sodomy charges that Anwar said were trumped up caused many western democracies to shun Mahathir.

    But he has also been widely hailed as the architect of modern Malaysia and a strong voice among Muslim and developing countries.

    "When you target Muslim countries, other Muslims get angry and they try to retaliate the only way they can, by bombing or maybe attempts to blow up aircraft and so you think that these Muslims are really bad," Mahathir said.

    "But think first what you have done to them and then you will realise that if you were in their position you would do the same thing."
  2. Chuck~Taylor

    Chuck~Taylor Active Member

    Someone should put this on a billboard some where.
    "We follow the true teachings of the religion and the true teachings do not teach us to bomb and kill people without reason."
  3. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    How about right next to the World Trade Center hole in the ground?
  4. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    I dunno, Chuck. "Without reason" is a big enough loophole to fly a plane through.
  5. Chuck~Taylor

    Chuck~Taylor Active Member

    You guys just don't get it. All the things that the terrorists have done is against 100% against Islam. That's what he's trying to say.

    EDIT: And it sucks for the good Muslims who practice their religion the right way and get told that they are terrorists.
  6. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    So what was the reason for driving the planes thru the WTC chuck? Since bombing and killing isn't done without reason.

    You may want to re-read the story, chuck.
  7. Chuck~Taylor

    Chuck~Taylor Active Member

    The reason that that Al-Qaeda did all these things was because of all the things that the American government has done to Muslim countries. The giving weapons to Israel so they can wipe out Palestinians, Killing civilians in Iraq etc.
    Am I supporting Al Qaeda? No. Al Qaeda, and other terrorist groups, are taking action the wrong way. It's the un-Islamic way.
  8. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Here is a quote by the dude, Chuck. You think this guy is someone others should emulate?

  9. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    What civilians did we kill in Iraq to cause Al Qaeda to fly planes into the twin towers? If Al Qaeda was worried about innocent people being killed in Iraq prior to 9/11, seems like they would have gone after Saddam Hussein.
  10. Chuck~Taylor

    Chuck~Taylor Active Member

    So your saying that the American government has done nothing to Muslims?
  11. HoopsMcCann

    HoopsMcCann Active Member

    don't even try with these folks, chuck. it's not worth your time.
  12. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    What folks are those, hoops. I don't think all Muslims are bad. I just think this guy's message is wrong. He seems to think its OK to bomb and kill over any reason.
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