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Florida Primaries

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Boom_70, Jan 21, 2012.

  1. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    What's also forgotten:

    Willard was born to the manor precisely because America's lower middle class earned enough money (with just one member of the family working, of course) from what is now considered menial jobs to buy General Motors products. Thanks in large part, of course, to unions insuring that the phrase "living wage" was expected, not an exception.
     
  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    He was already married with children at the time as well.

    Try that. (Well, not you, but you know what I mean.)
     
  3. BrianGriffin

    BrianGriffin Active Member

    Wow. Great job Mitt. Here's your $50 million reward. But it's not tax free, nor should it be.
     
  4. BrianGriffin

    BrianGriffin Active Member

    The above post is dripping with sarcasm, but really, what the hell?

    My goal professionally right now is to do good enough work so I can move into a higher tax bracket. If paying a higher rate on my taxes comes with the territory, so be it. If I can make millions on capital gains and have to pay a higher tax rate when I get there, well, where do I sign up?

    Again, why would paying higher taxes on capital gains be a disincentive to making capital gains?
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Because it's diminishing returns. At some point, the money isn't worth the effort.

    Have you seen "Margin Call"? The main character was a rocket scientist before going into investment banking. Why? Money. But isn't the money good in being a rocket scientist? Probably. But not for the effort.

    And I'm someone who thinks the capital gains tax should be higher, and who thinks that some of Mitt's loopholes should be closed. But I'm not going to pretend that higher taxes wouldn't be a disincentive. They are. Which is fine, if the tradeoff is efficient for society.
     
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Do higher taxes on cigarettes change behavior?
     
  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    George Romney was a great American bootstraps story.
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I don't understand how people can devalue Romney's education, but then get pissy when Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity hints that Obama was an affirmative action admit.
     
  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    He truly was.
     
  10. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    If taxes were lower, employers would also have a bigger incentive to lower wages. They would just rationalize that the government gave the workers a raise, so why should they?

    "Working people" in many ways, does equal "poor". As someone pointed out earlier, for a long time, it only took one salary to raise a family, buy a house, own a car. Now it takes both members of the family working, and frequently, one of them has two jobs in order to support the family. And please don't claim that since everyone has an iPhone, that people are wealthy. There's a reason why the average American has over $7K in credit card debt. Without credit cards, the economy would collapse.

    "And, to a large degree, outcomes are determined by what we put in."

    An awful lot of people are putting in an awful lot of hours at their job. Only, they're not getting ahead anymore. They're being told they're lucky they have a paycheck.

    Romney busted his butt. So what? Conservatives say why should they be punished for success? Well, why should they be given special rewards (like a lower tax rate on capital gains) for being successful?
     
  11. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Working people and the poor are so 2011. It's now about saving the middle class.
     
  12. BrianGriffin

    BrianGriffin Active Member

    Well, at what point does it become a disincentive? Certainly, for me, the opportunities to work in several tax brackets higher than the one I am working in is ZERO disincentive to getting paid more. I can think of NOBODY working at, say, $50k a year who would not want to make $100k because he would have to pay proportionally more in taxes.

    Similarly, I can think of no reasonable person who would not want to aspire to make enough capital gains where he does not have to work any more and can still live an extravagant lifestyle, just because the taxes on this income goes up.
     
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