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Fighting in professional sports

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by wisportswriter, Dec 19, 2006.

  1. There are at least a couple bench-clearing brawls in MLB every year. You rarely see a suspension longer than a handful of games.

    There are fights in every second NHL game. (Or so I'm told. I don't get the Outdoor Life network.) You don't hear much about them.

    Have a little throwdown in the NBA, and the sports world tips itself upside down: fines, suspensions into the double digits, endless sports radio/TV yapping, condemnation from David Stern on down through Joe Fan.

  2. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    You may be right. ::)
  3. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    Well, there are "little throwdowns," and then there's...
  4. About what? I wasn't aware I ventured an opinion.
  5. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    David Stern has been going way over the top the past two years trying to pander to corporate sponsors who didn't like the NBA's street culture. The fight in Detroit was probably the catalyst. Since then, he's instituted a "get tough with the players" policy, including the dress code last year. He gets away with treating players like children because the union has weakened considerably in recent years. But considering this is happening in the league with the highest percentage of African Americans, I'm somewhat surprised we haven't seen the race card played even more often on this issue.
  6. ondeadline

    ondeadline Well-Known Member

    In today's NHL, there are no fights in more than half the games.
  7. Claws for Concern

    Claws for Concern Active Member

    Growing up on the NHL, I saw my share of bench clearing brawls. For years now, that stuff never happens in the NHL. It's better policed than most other pro sports when it comes to bench clearing brawls.
  8. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    The big difference between the NHL & NBA is padding.
  9. I have no problem with Stern trying to clean up his league. I think trying to get fights out of the league is noble.

    My problem is the public's and media's reaction to the fight in relation to other sports. The Barrett-Pyrzenski fight was much worse this baseball season. When Roger Clemens' roid rage led to him throwing a baseball bat at Piazza, that was much worse. When Jason Varitek did essentially the same thing to A-Rod as Melo did to Collins, he was considered a warrior and a team leader for sticking up for his teammates. When the Yankees/Red Sox brawl escalted to the point where Pedro tackeled Zimmer, it wasn't as big of a deal in the public arena as this. When the football player stepped on the dude's face last month, it wasn't as big of a deal as this.

    There's clearly racism involved. The public and media sees the tattoos and the cornrows of the NBA, whereas that stuff is hidden in football. When something happens in football - Ray Lewis or Tank Williams - it's considered an anomoly. If something like that happened in the NBA, it'd be a black eye for the league.

    Ironically, the NFL has much more real thugs than the NBA.
  10. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    The brawls you cite didn't spill into the stands. That, to me, is a fairly important distinction.
  11. The brawls you cite didn't spill into the stands. That, to me, is a fairly important distinction.


    Well then, that's what Stern needs to reevaluate. He needs to make it so when there's a hard flagrant foul, the players don't land in the laps of spectators. If JR Smith landed somewhere else, then that's where the fight would have happened. It's not the players going into the stands to fight, it's the fans essentially being on the court.

    I mean, should they have all taken a deep breath and walked to center court?
  12. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    If Stern & the NCAA would crack down on the rampant discrimination against American born whites attempting to play basketball at the highest level there would be less microscopic scrutuniy on the young men who currently earn their livings in the NBA.

    Seriously though, I think the enhanced scrutiny of NBA fights goes to Kermit Washington's attack on Rudy Tomjonovich[sic]. Also the physical proximity between the spectators and players in the NBA makes for a more personal attachment to the players (which has been marketed to the deteriment of the team game).
    Race plays a factor in everything in an integrated American culture, and when African Americans are disproportionately involved in anything, sports and crime especially, the media tends to focus on the surrounding issues.

    That said, the problem isn't with Stern's concerns, the problem lies with Selig's lack of balls and the union's strength in baseball.
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