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FBI, SEC investigate Mickelson in insider trading probe

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by LongTimeListener, May 30, 2014.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I adore any story that somehow connects Carl Icahn, Billy Walters and Phil Mickelson.

    I couldn't have imagined that Icahn and Billy Walters actually know each other, but I would love to have been a fly on the wall when they met, and to have been able to sit in when they are hanging out.

    This is one where the Feds are in for a fight if they try to pursue. When the IRS tried to get Walters, he fought them for years and won in the end. When you back Icahn against a wall, he will fight to the death. He just gets pissed off. He has the money to fight any attempt to drag him into a costly legal battle against the Feds and he is the type who will enjoy the fight more than the savings from settling.
     
  2. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Walters and Mickelson are almost surely in the clear already. Proving first-hand insider trading is very hard, proving second-hand insider trading is damn near impossible. It is certainly easy enough to imagine that Wall Street plunger Icahn and sports plunger Walters exchanged information on their specialties as shop talk. Phil's penchant for risk-taking is documented on every golf course he sets foot on.
    Consider this: McIlroy breaks up with his girlfriend, wins a tournament, then goes 63-78. Phil meets the Feds after about as bad a 72 as can be imagined, then shoots 70 the next day. Don't say he's not mentally tough. Maybe not all there, but what's there is tough.
     
  3. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    This is nothing compared to the malfeasance in 2008 meltdown in which to date one
    person has been convicted.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yup. Proving insider trading without any kind of paper trail is nearly impossible.

    And getting Icahn on anything will be pretty tough, too, because he doesn't trade on insider info, has no need to, nor could he with the amounts of money he puts into play. He'd be the guy handing out the insider info. That is a hard link to create, and even if they can, they are going to have an impossible time demonstrating that he benefited in any way.

    Icahn's M.O. is to accumulate large blocks of stock up until the time he has to disclose his stake. Then he goes on a public campaign to try to get the company to do things he wants to boost the value of his stock -- share buybacks, dividends, acquisitions, a sale, etc. He threatens the board of directors -- and he is good at it -- and gets them to do what he wants, or he goes to battle and replaces them with his own people. Usually when the market finds out that Icahn has accumulated a lot of stock in a company, the stock price jumps just on that news. Which is what happened in this case, with Clorox, and it sounds like Walters and Mickelson rode his coattails -- the way LOTS of people have over the years.

    The Feds going after this stuff is feckless and stupid. Icahn discovered twitter a year ago and has been active on it. Every time he tweets related to a company he has built up a stake in, the stock price moves. He toys with the markets with it, and seems to have a ball with it in a cagey sort of way. Should that be made illegal too?

    The SEC is pitiful in its execution of the things it tries to regulate. The concept of insider trading is muddled and selective. Punish people who steal info or breach contracts to hold info in confidence. Theft or lying. But why do we punish people who trade on the basis of valuable knowledge? In any other endeavor, we expect people to try to gain knowledge for their advantage and we certainly don't demonize someone for using information to make a smart purchase.
     
  5. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    Someone at a blackjack table told me Mickelson's wife got him banned from the Bellagio b/c he lost so much money. Take it for what it's worth. Guy came across to me as someone who might know such things.
     
  6. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    It might be totally unrelated, but Phil was at ASU with Steven Smith.
     
  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    The rumors about Mickelson's gambling are legion, and there are enough of them that there have to be some facts underneath.
     
  8. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    They were supposedly the substance of the story SI was going to drop the night before the Masters, right?

    The timing of the Callaway deal has never made sense from any perspective besides the gambling one.
     
  9. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    It is fun to note that one of Phil's primary sponsors is Barclays, a bank that's been in more litigation due to the financial crisis than I can count.
     
  10. SportsGuyBCK

    SportsGuyBCK Active Member

    Whitey Righty? :)
     
  11. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Tits
     
  12. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    Better yet, let's come up with a code name for the operation.
    Operation Unplayable Lie?
     
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