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Exposing Plagiarism/Fabrication

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by YankeeFan, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I agree completely. I think any time a random person is quoted in a story, the writer should have to produce the person's phone number so editors can verify that the person actually exists. If I was going to try to expose writers for fabricating things, that's where I would start because it's very tough to catch them and I think a majority of editors don't want to catch them.
     
  2. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I covered a game in 2000 or so and the lead columnist (now a very prominent national columnist) from one of the local papers had a quote from a fan after the game. The quote was perfect, too perfect. My friend who worked at that paper said, "I drove with him to the game. I sat next to him during the game, I walked down with him to the postgame press conference, I walked back with him to the press box, I sat next to him as he wrote and I left with him and drove back to the hotel. There was no way he talked to this guy..."

    I think that kind of stuff happens all the time...
     
  3. Rusty Shackleford

    Rusty Shackleford Active Member

    You also have to question how often it happens per writer.

    A writer under the gun on deadline who fabricates a quote once just because he doesn't have time to interview someone, vs. the writer who does it habitually, in nearly every story he writes.

    Is one worse than the other?
     
  4. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    Only if you're trying to justify it and it cannot ever be justified...
     
  5. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Seriously, you address it when it happens, and you don't make it part of a larger problem.

    It remains an aberration, should be dealt with severely, but we've got bigger issues to address in this climate, like how to, uh, remain in business.
     
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Print journalism surely has many problems, but plagiarism and fabrication decay the credibility of journalism. If readers can't trust what they read, there is no reason to invest their time and money.

    With so many high profile cases, involving prestigious titles, don't you think this is a huge issue?

    And, you say it's an aberration, but how do we know?

    Yes, plagiarism is easier to detect now, but would Lynn Hoppes have been exposed without someone like Deadspin spending considerable time researching his writing?

    And, as others have said, fabrication can he harder to detect. Would Lehrer have been caught if he wasn't fabricating quotes from someone who is both as famous, and media shy, as Dylan?


    I would guess it becomes easier to do it each time, once you've crossed the line the first time. It's human nature.

    You get away with it the first time, and think, "why not?"
     
  7. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    There's a national columnist with whom I share several friends, though I do not know him/her. I've heard from more than one of those friends that said columnist ALWAYS has that "perfect quote" and it's just a little suspicious. Especially when it's not like columnists go out in the stands every game, so for him/her to find someone to say exactly the right thing, on deadline, every time? Raises a flag.
     
  8. apeman33

    apeman33 Well-Known Member

    In 2002-03, I took a leave from this job. They guy they had working it while I was gone was a poor writer at best (He wrote one golf story that had the high score winning). When I came back in '03, one of the first people I talked to was the juco men's basketball coach. He told me that he had never met my replacement nor talked to him on the phone, yet somehow he was quoted in the guy's stories.
     
  9. turski7

    turski7 Member

    Plus give them a small digital camera and tell the reporter to take the person's mug shot. If their picture is in the paper, it would make it hard for them to make up people and/or quotes.
     
  10. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    I agree with 21. Most people don't fabricate or plagiarize. On our board now are some worst-case examples, and I refuse to believe most reporters do it.

    As we move deeper into the Google Era, I see two bigger concerns.

    The first is "sharing" -- and I'm not certain that's even the proper term. It's so easy now to google someone when we're working on a story about them and use the information. That doesn't mean steal/plagiarize it, but write it in our own words or do some legwork that allows us to take the next step with that info. There's such a different standard across the board.

    Obviously, crediting the initial report is the safest route, which I try to do all the time, but even when I've extrapolated another thought I wonder if someone's going to complain. Heck, even if I ask the subject about it, I wonder if someone's going to say I stole the original idea.

    I've seen it happen to other reporters, who get accused of this. And in the twitterverse, things snowball quickly.

    The second is "sources say." And I will admit, there is probably no one who uses more anonymous sources than me. I protect them vigorously since a team called in a player, pulled out my blog and asked if he was the source for something. (He wasn't.)

    But the potential for abuse is enormous. And, as a supposed "insider," I've seen the pressure on some guys to break stuff. Twitter has made it even more insane.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    So, are "whistleblowers" frowned upon or ostracized in some way?

    Why is there no desire to expose these people? Is it not worth the hassle, or you think you couldn't prove it, or are worried no one would follow up on the accusations?

    In the past, maybe you could only go to your boss, but now, depending on the offender, you could pass along a tip to Romenesko or Deadspin, or someone else.
     
  12. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I don't think whistleblowers should be ostracized, but I think they probably would be.
     
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