E-Bola

YankeeFan · Oct 17, 2014

BadgerBeer said:

I have not stayed up to date on this situation. How many US citizens have died so far? Have another 40 or 50 people been infected in the last 24 hours? Very concerned.
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OK. very good. Evreyone is in panic mode, right?

What steps taken then were unnecessary?

-- Appointment of an Ebola Czar

-- Travel ban on all healthcare workers who came into contact with Duncan

-- Nurses and Flight crew being isolated.

-- schools being closed in Cleveland and Texas, and a bridal shop being closed in Cleveland.

-- Mexico and Belize balking at letting the cruise ship dock/let the passenger off

3_Octave_Fart · Oct 17, 2014

I am not reading 'panic' tonally in respectable news outlets.

YankeeFan · Oct 17, 2014

A travel ban would hurt "'fledgling democracies"? Is that what this is about?

And, should be look at the Democratic record in the countries involved?

Murphy: "Dr. Frieden, when we spoke on the phone the other day, you remained opposed to travel restrictions, because in your words, you said cutting commercial ties would hurt these fledgling democracies. Now is this the opinion of CDC? Is this your opinion or did someone also advise you, someone within the administration, someone in any other agencies, where did this opinion come from that that's of high importance?

Frieden: "My sole concern is to protect Americans. We can do that by continuing to take the steps we are taking here as well as to --

Murphy: "Did someone advise you on that, someone outside of yourself? Somebody else advise you that that's the position, we need to protect fledgling democracies?

Frieden: "My recollection of that conversation is that that discussion was in the context of our ability to stop the epidemic at the source.
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YankeeFan · Oct 17, 2014

JayFarrar said:

YankeeFan said:

Hopefully, Jay Farrar is not scratching his head, wondering why I'm quoting the guy from Caddy Shack.
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One can only hope that you have an espresso machine install at Emory or that Dallas hospital's isolation ward. A nice frothy cup of ebola would do you some good.
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Did you really wish Ebola upon me?

Is that some 2014 liberal version of "Die in a fire"?

Funny thing is, I'm in and out of hospitals a couple of times a week. Today, I was on a college campus, in a hospital, and in a major transportation hub doing work. Yesterday I was on the campus of a major drug manufacturer. If I was an "Ebola terrorist", I could be very effective.

Boom_70 · Oct 17, 2014

So far 30 countries have banned travel or put in restrictions from West Africa
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/ebola-travel-ban/2014/10/16/id/601025/

Angola 
Botswana 
Cameroon 
Chad 
Colombia (South America)
Congo (DRC) 
Equatorial Guinea 
Gabon 
Gambia 
Ivory Coast
Kenya 
Lesotho 
Madagascar 
Malawi 
Mauritius 
Morocco
Mozambique 
Namibia 
Nigeria 
Rwanda 
St. Lucia
Senegal 
South Africa 
South Sudan 
Swaziland 
Tanzania 
Togo 
Zambia  
Zimbabwe 

YankeeFan · Oct 17, 2014

Clearly racist decision.

Boom_70 · Oct 17, 2014

YankeeFan said:

Clearly racist decision.
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We're 26 pages in with a lot of great points made but the problems that have resulted from
poor execution on part of US comes down to one word:

OPTICS

Clear that many decisions were made based on optics as opposed to what was best.

YankeeFan · Oct 17, 2014

When did the President have his first meeting with the CDC regarding the Ebola crisis?

Beneath the calming reassurance that President Obama has repeatedly offered during the Ebola crisis, there is a deepening frustration, even anger, with how the government has handled key elements of the response.

Those frustrations spilled over when Mr. Obama convened his top aides in the Cabinet room after canceling his schedule on Wednesday. Medical officials were providing information that later turned out to be wrong. Guidance to local health teams was not adequate. It was unclear which Ebola patients belonged in which threat categories.

“It’s not tight,” a visibly angry Mr. Obama said of the response, according to people briefed on the meeting. He told aides they needed to get ahead of events and demanded a more hands-on approach, particularly from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “He was not satisfied with the response,” a senior official said.

The difference between the public and private messages illustrates the dilemma Mr. Obama faces on Ebola — and a range of other national security issues — as he tries to galvanize the response to a public health scare while not adding to the sense of panic fueled by 24-hour cable TV and the nonstop Twitter chatter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/amid-assurances-on-ebola-obama-is-said-to-seethe.html
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old_tony · Oct 17, 2014

Boom_70 said:

cjericho said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

Great opening line:

Lockheed Martin thinks it may just about have a handle on this nuclear-fusion thing, but the U.S. government cannot manage to keep Ebola patients off a flight to Cleveland. Sometimes, you simply must hate the 21st century.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/390532/ebola-administration-kevin-d-williamson
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They would've been able to keep those people off the flight if the CDC budget wasn't slashed.
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Not seeing the connection. Why was CDC budget slashed?
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It's not that its budget was slashed, it's that they were spending their money on dumb things such as a study on why lesbians are fat.

Boom_70 · Oct 18, 2014

YankeeFan said:

When did the President have his first meeting with the CDC regarding the Ebola crisis?

Beneath the calming reassurance that President Obama has repeatedly offered during the Ebola crisis, there is a deepening frustration, even anger, with how the government has handled key elements of the response.

Those frustrations spilled over when Mr. Obama convened his top aides in the Cabinet room after canceling his schedule on Wednesday. Medical officials were providing information that later turned out to be wrong. Guidance to local health teams was not adequate. It was unclear which Ebola patients belonged in which threat categories.

“It’s not tight,” a visibly angry Mr. Obama said of the response, according to people briefed on the meeting. He told aides they needed to get ahead of events and demanded a more hands-on approach, particularly from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “He was not satisfied with the response,” a senior official said.

The difference between the public and private messages illustrates the dilemma Mr. Obama faces on Ebola — and a range of other national security issues — as he tries to galvanize the response to a public health scare while not adding to the sense of panic fueled by 24-hour cable TV and the nonstop Twitter chatter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/amid-assurances-on-ebola-obama-is-said-to-seethe.html
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