Does Koran Justify Terror?

Fenian_Bastard · Jun 14, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

Ashy Larry said:

Junkie said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

hondo said:

JayFarrar said:

I was of the understanding that some Muslin scholars were against an attack like 9/11 because those killed weren't first offered the chance to hear what the Koran had to offer and to convert.
But the Muslin religion isn't much different than any other fundamentalist religion. Those faiths that send bombs to abortion clinics and park explosive packed trucks in front of federal buildings.
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Since Timothy McVeigh, name one such incident....
The body count by Islamic terrorists and extremists vastly dwarfs that of any other religion in the last 25 years.
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Please google, "Rudolph, Eric" and "Krar, William."
Thank you.
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Rudolph killed three; Krar, none.

Yeah, they're right up there with bin Laden. You're right. Shame on us.

And Ashy, the post said "since."
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Junkie my bad.....I just want Fenian to get the 3-4 names of "Christian terrorists" out of the way, so he can try his hardest to persuade us that they are just as much a threat to the world as Islamic terrorists.
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OK, I...will...type...very...slowly.
The discussion was the use by violent men of books recognized by major faiths to be sacred, (There was a sidetrack when Junkie challenged us all on Tim McVeigh and was, well, wrong.) Your last sentence is something I never argued, or proposed. (Also, "Christian terrorists" in quotes is a nice touch. Is Rudolph a terrorist or not?) But, as a matter of fact, when it comes to native-born American terrorists, history says that they're far more likely to have been raised Christian.

Ace · Jun 14, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

The bottom line is that these religious zealots of any stripe gain the upper hand when everything else has gone to hell.

And we have aided and abetted with it going to hell in certain countries, primarily because it suited the oil companies.

You can blame Islam, you can blame the bombers or you can blame the god-awful mess in Iraq for creating more terrorists.

Plenty of blame to go around and it ain't all in some book.

Fenian_Bastard · Jun 14, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

hondo said:

JayFarrar said:

I was of the understanding that some Muslin scholars were against an attack like 9/11 because those killed weren't first offered the chance to hear what the Koran had to offer and to convert.
But the Muslin religion isn't much different than any other fundamentalist religion. Those faiths that send bombs to abortion clinics and park explosive packed trucks in front of federal buildings.
Click to expand...

Since Timothy McVeigh, name one such incident....
The body count by Islamic terrorists and extremists vastly dwarfs that of any other religion in the last 25 years.
Click to expand...

I stalk not, but I do screw up.
Sorry, Junk.

ink-stained wretch · Jun 14, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

Required reading before this thread goes any further:

â€¢ The True Believer by Eric Hoffer
â€¢ Book of Judges, Old Testament

Continue on.

BTW: Thanks, Chuck. Always enjoy the historical context.

Boom_70 · Jun 14, 2007

Re:Radical Islam Hides Behind Koran to Justify Violence.

Chuck~Taylor said:

Ashy Larry said:

Chuck~Taylor said:

I just read the article.

There is nothing in Quran that actually states "Go out there kill the first Christian you see". The killing talked about in the Quran has to do with being in war(perticulary the war between the Muslims and people in Mecca during the Prophet Muhammad's time).
Here's something that will explain some of those verses:

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Chuck....I found the clip informative, but those are actors.
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That's not the point.
Does every single Muslim act like that guy? Hell no(especially over seas). What Im trying to say is this. Islam isn't the reason for 9/11. Bin Laden is the reason for 9/11.
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If you really want to blame someone , think deeper -- blame Sayyid Qutb who created the whole radical islamic movement. Bin Laden' partner in crime - Zawari was a loyal follower of Qutb teachings.

Fenian_Bastard · Jun 14, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

Boom_70 said:

Chuck~Taylor said:

Ashy Larry said:

Chuck~Taylor said:

I just read the article.

There is nothing in Quran that actually states "Go out there kill the first Christian you see". The killing talked about in the Quran has to do with being in war(perticulary the war between the Muslims and people in Mecca during the Prophet Muhammad's time).
Here's something that will explain some of those verses:

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Chuck....I found the clip informative, but those are actors.
Click to expand...

That's not the point.
Does every single Muslim act like that guy? Hell no(especially over seas). What Im trying to say is this. Islam isn't the reason for 9/11. Bin Laden is the reason for 9/11.
Click to expand...

If you really want to blame someone , think deeper -- blame Sayyid Qutb who created the whole radical islamic movement. Bin Laden' partner in crime - Zawari was a loyal follower of Qutb teachings.
Click to expand...

Maybe if the West hadn't propped up the people it propped up all through the region, Qutb's teachings wouldn't have found an audience.

Breakyoself · Jun 14, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

i think fundamentalists in any religion are bad. at that point, whether its Islam, Judiaism or Christianity, it turns religion into a "i'm right, you are wrong' mentality. I don't think that was the point of religion. fundamentalism breeds intolerance for others and their beliefs. the only difference nowadays is some people use rhetoric to spread their beliefs, and others incorporate violence.

Boom_70 · Jun 14, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

Fenian_Bastard said:

Boom_70 said:

Chuck~Taylor said:

Ashy Larry said:

Chuck~Taylor said:

I just read the article.

There is nothing in Quran that actually states "Go out there kill the first Christian you see". The killing talked about in the Quran has to do with being in war(perticulary the war between the Muslims and people in Mecca during the Prophet Muhammad's time).
Here's something that will explain some of those verses:

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Chuck....I found the clip informative, but those are actors.
Click to expand...

That's not the point.
Does every single Muslim act like that guy? Hell no(especially over seas). What Im trying to say is this. Islam isn't the reason for 9/11. Bin Laden is the reason for 9/11.
Click to expand...

If you really want to blame someone , think deeper -- blame Sayyid Qutb who created the whole radical islamic movement. Bin Laden' partner in crime - Zawari was a loyal follower of Qutb teachings.
Click to expand...

Maybe if the West hadn't propped up the people it propped up all through the region, Qutb's teachings wouldn't have found an audience.
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Do you include Israel in the group of "propped" up that you refer to?

Qutbs teachings found an audience because of the Egyption government and how they dealt with the radical sect of islamists. Qutbs was thrown in jail. I doubt that had anything to do with the western world at that time.

Tom Petty · Jun 15, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

Breakyoself said:

i think fundamentalists in any religion are bad. at that point, whether its Islam, Judiaism or Christianity, it turns religion into a "i'm right, you are wrong' mentality. I don't think that was the point of religion. fundamentalism breeds intolerance for others and their beliefs. the only difference nowadays is some people use rhetoric to spread their beliefs, and others incorporate violence.
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quality stuff break.

hondo · Jun 15, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

Fenian_Bastard said:

hondo said:

JayFarrar said:

I was of the understanding that some Muslin scholars were against an attack like 9/11 because those killed weren't first offered the chance to hear what the Koran had to offer and to convert.
But the Muslin religion isn't much different than any other fundamentalist religion. Those faiths that send bombs to abortion clinics and park explosive packed trucks in front of federal buildings.
Click to expand...

Since Timothy McVeigh, name one such incident....
The body count by Islamic terrorists and extremists vastly dwarfs that of any other religion in the last 25 years.
Click to expand...

Please google, "Rudolph, Eric" and "Krar, William."
Thank you.
Click to expand...

Not to mitigate their terrible acts but one person died in the Olympic bombing. Their combined kills wouldn't amount to anything close to one suicide bomber in a Jerusalem disco.

jgmacg · Jun 15, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

The Koran doesn't "justify" anything. Nor does the Bible.

The people reading them do.

alleyallen · Jun 15, 2007

Re: The Koran justifies Killing

hondo said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

hondo said:

JayFarrar said:

I was of the understanding that some Muslin scholars were against an attack like 9/11 because those killed weren't first offered the chance to hear what the Koran had to offer and to convert.
But the Muslin religion isn't much different than any other fundamentalist religion. Those faiths that send bombs to abortion clinics and park explosive packed trucks in front of federal buildings.
Click to expand...

Since Timothy McVeigh, name one such incident....
The body count by Islamic terrorists and extremists vastly dwarfs that of any other religion in the last 25 years.
Click to expand...

Please google, "Rudolph, Eric" and "Krar, William."
Thank you.
Click to expand...

Not to mitigate their terrible acts but one person died in the Olympic bombing. Their combined kills wouldn't amount to anything close to one suicide bomber in a Jerusalem disco.
Click to expand...

So the body count is the ultimate deciding factor, then?

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