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Detroit's population falls 25 percent in 10 years

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Bob Cook, Mar 23, 2011.

  1. mustangj17

    mustangj17 Active Member

    There are a lot of huge office buildings in the suburbs of Detroit. Detroit has huge sprawling suburbs and most people don't work downtown.
     
  2. Brooklyn Bridge

    Brooklyn Bridge Well-Known Member

    What you are talking about is the move toward Historical Preservation which really got kickstarted in New York in the late 60s with the defeat of the Lower Manhattan Expressway (which would have destroyed large swaths of SoHo and Greenwich Village) and the destruction of Penn Station.

    Preservation helped save hundreds of areas from the wreckers ball and it was shortly after that small community groups started revitalizing poor areas. The South Bronx, Upper West Side, large parts of Brooklyn were left in bad shape, but it was a grassroots movement that helped revitalize the city.

    You can argue that it was the private developers, hand-in-hand with city leaders who wrecked neighborhoods in the sake of "development" and pushed poor people into nearby already struggling neighborhoods that exasperated the problems.
     
  3. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member

    I don't think entitlements had much of anything to do with the Rust Belt's downfall. I believe most of that can be pinned on globalization.

    I do think an aging population is one of the major obstacles to revitalizing the Midwest, however. I was clumsy in what I wrote. Talking about entitlements was simply a stupid way of saying that having states with a shrinking tax base pretty much leaves a renaissance out of the question any time soon.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    BB, I wasn't talking about that, but I am sure you are correct. I don't know as much about that period in the 1960s, but I do know a bit about Robert Moses and the havoc he wreaked on the city. My example was DUMBO. DUMBO wasn't given Landmarks Preservation status until 2007. The development that was done there was largely done by then. It was a product of the 1990s and early 200s. Development still continues, but needing to go before a board for approval on any project has hampered some development, although a lot has been approved. I believe those commissions in this day and age create more problems than any good, particularly because they are frequently used by special interests and politicians for all the wrong reasons.

    I believe the reason they designated DUMBO in 2007, was that it was primarily owned by one developer (that family really owns 90 percent of the neighborhood, the rest owned on the outskirts by the Jehovah's Witnesses), who increasingly has been the target of neighborhood activists. He had torn down a lot of decrepit buildings in favor of luxury co-ops and condos, rather than renovating the buildings to match their original character, and activists stepped in to stop him from taking down any more old buildings and to try to keep another Starbucks and women with poodles out. But my example (which might have been misplaced judging by how many people have had something to say) had nothing to do with Landmarks Preservation, which often hampers private development, because it creates too many hoops to jump through. At least in some neighborhoods of New York that has been the case.

    It definitely serves a purpose in some places. For example, derwood mentioned Brooklyn Heights. It was the first place to receive that designation. It saved that neighborhood, which has some of the oldest houses in the country, and by requiring anything done to exteriors to match the original homes as they were built, it has kept the neighborhood as a time capsule and given it a unique character. I am not sure it serves the same purpose in many other neighborhoods, though. It's just another hoop to jump through.

    In the case of the Heights, it was Robert Moses, and the messed up bureaucracy running NYC at the time that destroyed part of the neighborhood and almost eradicated it all. Moses was an autocrat who had free run in the 1950s to run expressways through whatever neighborhoods he wanted. He wreaked havoc on New York and destroyed some great old neighborhoods. He just had to deem them run down, and without any checks and balances on his power, he had free run to do whatever he wanted. He was also, by the way, the main force that pushed the Brooklyn Dodgers to LA, because he insisted that any new stadium had to be in Flushing Meadows when the team wanted it in Brooklyn. The only neighborhood that was able to stand up to Moses was Brooklyn Heights. His plan was to run the BQE right through the neighborhood, knock down some homes that dated to the early 1800s and split the neighborhood in two. It would have killed the place. The neighborhood formed an association, fought him successfully because they had a bit of clout, and forced a new plan that took the BQE along the water in that section underneath a promenade (which has great views) that was built. It was a decent compromise, although they did lose part of the neighborhood and Fulton Street was turned into Cadman Plaza with all the concrete around it, rather than the old stores that were once there. But for the rest of the neighborhood that survived, soon afterward, they became the first neighborhood protected by landmark preservation status in 1965.
     
  5. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    They don't, of course, but it's one of the excuses which will be used to completely dismantle them.
     
  6. Magic In The Night

    Magic In The Night Active Member

    Well, when global warming really kicks in and they come for the water in the Midwest, I think the Midwest should say, go get it in Mexico or Honduras or China. You're not getting ours.
     
  7. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    The pumping station at Michigan City will feed the pipeline directly to Arizona.
     
  8. SoCalScribe

    SoCalScribe Member

    People get too worked up about water. 90-something percent of water use in any city is for purposes other than drinking it; even the Southwest will be okay in a worst-case scenario because it can reduce its water usage in a manifold fashion without affecting critical uses. Additionally, already exists proven technology that, even in arid climates, turns the humidity in the air into water, as well as desalinization, etc. We pay $4 dollars a gallon for gas, but somehow the idea of paying a fraction of a cent for a gallon of tap water theratens the stability of our society...
     
  9. derwood

    derwood Active Member

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/10/downsizing-cities/8395
     
  10. derwood

    derwood Active Member

    New York numbers are out. Buffalo shrunk by 10.6%.
     
  11. Blame NAFTA. Then blame Bill Clinton. Then blame John Engler. Then blame the automakers.

    Anyone who blames the unions is downright insane, and in my experience, they're both insane and don't live in MI anymore.
     
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