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Daily News: KSM Trial to be Moved out of NYC

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Jan 28, 2010.

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  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Lower Manhattan is a much different animal than any place in the U.S., including say, Minneapolis. Have you ever been to the area where the Federal Courthouse is? It's right near City Hall, near the New York State and Federal courts, the Brooklyn Bridge, the old site of the World Trade Center. It is an extremely busy area and lord knows how many hundreds of thousands of people work within an area that is about a mile or a mile and a half square. They might be able to have the trial there, but I don't see how you can any other place that I know of. It will be a security nightmare. There is no way you can even try to protect that area well--and it is a major target because of the courts, the mayor's office and city hall, the world trade center site which is already a sore spot for New Yorkers, all of those businesses, the Brooklyn Bridge right in the shadow--without spending a boatload of money. And even with that, what it will take will be so disruptive to the area because during weekday working hours that area is crawling with more people than most, from those trying to get on with their day to tourists.
     
  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    And I was in the WTC when it was attacked in '93 and worked down the street from the Blind Sheik's trial.

    Not that it matters. But this isn't about pissing my pants.

    It's about security.

    Judge Mukasey (the former AG), who was the trial judge in the Blind Sheik's trial, has lived with 24/7 armed U.S. Marshal Service security ever since.

    How are you going to pick & protect a jury for a KSM trial? Are you going to sequester them for a year long trial? If not, how do you get them in and out safely every day?


    KSM was an AQ leader, not some schmuck they sent on a suicide mission. The trial would absolutely be a terrorist target. The Judge, prosecutors, jurors, and witnesses would all be targets.

    Security would need to be extraordinary.

    And while you may not have concerns for the business people, how do you deal with the guy who owns a deli that's now within the security perimeter set up for the trial?

    Do you let him go out of business or do you reimburse him for the lost business?

    This isn't an academic question. You have to deal with the real questions.

    Maybe if the Justice Department had asked for the NYPD's evaluation before deciding to hold the trial there, they would have considered some of this.

    But by the time they called to let Bloomberg & Kelly (NYPD Commissioner) know about the decision, they had already learned of it through press leaks.

    Nicely done.

    Prediction: Military trial at Gitmo. Book it.
     
  3. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Why waste a good bullet?

    Flesh-eating pit bulls would have been more fun.
     
  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Yes. Values in the area would have plummeted and vacancy rates would have soared.

    Real Estate & Wall Street are the industries in NYC.

    Here's a clip from the Times' article that demonstrates what was a turning point in the decision:

     
  5. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Simply the Justice Dept should have done cost analysis before decision was made.

    When ticker tape parades have been held in that area nothing moves and nothing gets done.

    This would be 100 x worse for years.
     
  6. deskslave

    deskslave Active Member

    With this kind of attitude, it's a wonder any Mafia dons ever got tried.
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    The Mafia has an aversion to killing judges & cops. It's bad for business.

    AQ has no such policy.
     
  8. Sleeper

    Sleeper Member

    If we can't hold a trial in Manhattan because it's impossible to secure the location and people's lives will be so completely and utterly disrupted, we should just throw the towel in right now and concede to al-Qaida that we'll never defeat them. Because apparently they're already so unstoppable that prosecuting one of their leaders in the biggest, most powerful city in America is simply more than we can bear.

    Speaking of costs, and people's lives being disrupted ... it's gotta be a terrible inconvenience for a wife to have her husband shipped to Afghanistan for the second time in three years. And then when the husband gets his arm blown off and his head scrambled, it's gotta cost a fortune in taxpayer money to fly him from Bagram to Ramstein to Dover and then have him recover for eighteen months at Walter Reed. And since he can't work any skilled job for the rest of his life, it's gotta really add up to medically retire him and have the government support him the rest of his life. Maybe his wife has to quit her job because of the time drain she needs to care for her husband. Her dream of owning her own business or having more kids? That's never gonna happen.

    Now multiply this times a few thousand -- <a href=http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-01-27-veteranscaregivers27_CV_N.htm>maybe 7,500</a> by some estimates -- and tell me, what is real sacrifice and inconvenience in the war on al-Qaida? If we can stomach two wars and the disruptions and financial strain that come with them, we should have been able to put a few terrorists on trial in NYC.
     
  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    But why is it necessary Sleeper?

    Why is a military trial not good enough for him?
     
  10. deskslave

    deskslave Active Member

    Because one shouldn't rewrite the Constitution after 200-some years just because following it would be hard. And because the U.S. isn't so special as to be allowed to flagrantly ignore international law.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    It's consistent with both U.S. & International Law & has precedence.
     
  12. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

     
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