Crystal Mangum gets her degree from NCCU

He's out to piss on threads, Moddy. Look at his last couple of posts.

Anyway, I thought it was a pretty good column for a college paper. I would have liked to have seen a comment from the college NCCU as well, but I wasn't put off by the smugness like others.

I thought she had some pretty good points about the ethics code, and if she hadn't given another example of the school's questionable admissions, I may have thought she was being overly dramatic. But she did. It was OK for a column.

 

Yes, I was agreeing with your first post.

 

The question is not necessarily why didn't they bar her from ever graduating, but instead why they chose not take any disciplinary action whatsoever under the honor code, not even a temporary suspension.

None of the falsely accused Lacrosse players will be graduating on time--they lost a year of their life in part because Duke chose to prematurely invoke it's honor code before any allegations had actually been proven. Yet NCCU declined to do anything even after there was overwhelming evidence of Mangum's misconduct. It ain't exactly a fair result.

And I don't think the public v. private distinction matters that much. The column states NCCU had an honor code, so apparently they were empowered to take action if they wanted to. I had a friend once suspended a semester from a public university under an honor code provision because of participation in a dorm brawl. I consider Mangum's misconduct far more egregious than that, and I'm guessing NCCU itself has invoked the policy in the past for other students and lesser misconduct. So why not in this case?

At the very least, it certainly is a valid question to ask in a column. I just didn't care for the elitist tone in which she posed it.

 

No it isn't, Stoney. She was not convicted of anything. Utterly no reason why she shouldn't graduate.

 

I didn't say she should never be allowed to graduate, but instead that the relevant question is why no disciplinary action whatsoever was taken.

And a conviction has nothing to do with a University's right to take internal disciplinary action against a student under its honor code. Those are seperate issues. In fact, I feel quite confident in asserting that the vast majority of cases involving university discipline under an honor code don't involve criminal convictions. You're implying a requirement that simply does not exist there.

 

So a public university should discipline a student for an off-campus incident that resulted in no criminal charges against her? That's mighty shaky ground at best.

 

Kristen has a forehead longer than the late Tom Mees. It has to be a 5 finger.

 

That's Plain-Dealer material right there:


"I would invite them to review court records indicating Mangum had DNA from two unidentified men in her rectum; two more in her pubic region; one man in her vagina; and four to five men on her panties-none of whom were lacrosse players"

 

Off-campus incident. Not convicted. Not exactly treated with chivalry. Column of fail.