Colo. intern finds out you can't just copy & paste the NYT archive

Football_Bat · Jul 8, 2009

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buckweaver said:

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Don't you mean "Colo. intern finds out you can't just Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V the NYT archive"?

Why would the intern want to "undo" the NYT archive?

Just wondering ... 8)
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That's what I thought, too.

Of course in hindsight, I'd bet she wishes she could now.

Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!! · Jul 8, 2009

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Double J said:

crimsonace said:

I'm a high school teacher. It is amazing the number of kids that think copying someone else's work is just fine.

They don't see anything ethically wrong with cheating, plagarism, whatever. There was a study done recently that said a majority of HS students in the U.S. sees no ethical problem with cheating. (this is what the emphasis on "group work" and the younger generation's constant access to the Internet has given us).

Now, as journalists, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, but under pressure, we all revert back to our bad habits & crutches (the best among us overcome the bad habits). Those that got through school hitting Ctrl-C on online articles, tweaking the sentences the teacher is likely to check, and submitting them as their own work, are going to try to skate through a tight spot professionally by doing the same thing.

I give the "if you plagarize, you get a zero" speech to my students before every paper. And it never fails -- four or five students will turn in papers that older siblings did, nine or 10 will go to some online essay site or just go to wikipedia and copy/past vast swaths of the entries and turn them in as their own work. And they get zeroes for the assignment, and then wonder what they did wrong.

It's unfortunate, but we *really* have to push hard the expected ethics of journalists, because quite a few members of today's younger generation don't know where the line is.
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I'm shocked - shocked, I say! - that you've yet to be threatened with a lawsuit from a parent who is irate that you dared give innocent little Johnny a zero for that work on which he spent SO much time. Don't you realize what that will do to his future?!?!?!?!? :
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That's my reaction as well.

Seriously, I find it hard to beleive the parents, muchless the school administrators let you do that.
I agree with you 100 percent, but I find really hard to beleive you get away with it.

93Devil · Jul 8, 2009

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I have a serious question here, and I have been out of the biz for about eight years, but how was she caught?

Does the NYT read the Colorado Springs paper? Was something she wrote picked up by AP?

And yes, Crimson, cheating for students these days is a little less unconscionable than it was 20 years ago, but I also think the level to which they cheat (thanks to computers) has increased dramatically.

slappy4428 · Jul 8, 2009

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Why couldn't this have happened to a more "Lovely and Talented" intern....

waterytart · Jul 8, 2009

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Double J said:

crimsonace said:

I'm a high school teacher. It is amazing the number of kids that think copying someone else's work is just fine.

They don't see anything ethically wrong with cheating, plagarism, whatever. There was a study done recently that said a majority of HS students in the U.S. sees no ethical problem with cheating. (this is what the emphasis on "group work" and the younger generation's constant access to the Internet has given us).

Now, as journalists, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, but under pressure, we all revert back to our bad habits & crutches (the best among us overcome the bad habits). Those that got through school hitting Ctrl-C on online articles, tweaking the sentences the teacher is likely to check, and submitting them as their own work, are going to try to skate through a tight spot professionally by doing the same thing.

I give the "if you plagarize, you get a zero" speech to my students before every paper. And it never fails -- four or five students will turn in papers that older siblings did, nine or 10 will go to some online essay site or just go to wikipedia and copy/past vast swaths of the entries and turn them in as their own work. And they get zeroes for the assignment, and then wonder what they did wrong.

It's unfortunate, but we *really* have to push hard the expected ethics of journalists, because quite a few members of today's younger generation don't know where the line is.
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I'm shocked - shocked, I say! - that you've yet to be threatened with a lawsuit from a parent who is irate that you dared give innocent little Johnny a zero for that work on which he spent SO much time. Don't you realize what that will do to his future?!?!?!?!? :
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A close friend who's a college professor had two students submit identical papers last semester. The parents of one were irate and insisting they would drag the case through every appeal level. The other student was willing to accept the standard punishment. The twist is that, if the parents persist, the other student's case will be yoked to the appellant's instead of being handled at the departmental level.

Wonderlic · Jul 8, 2009

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MacDaddy said:

crimsonace said:

I'm a high school teacher. It is amazing the number of kids that think copying someone else's work is just fine.

They don't see anything ethically wrong with cheating, plagarism, whatever. There was a study done recently that said a majority of HS students in the U.S. sees no ethical problem with cheating. (this is what the emphasis on "group work" and the younger generation's constant access to the Internet has given us).

Now, as journalists, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, but under pressure, we all revert back to our bad habits & crutches (the best among us overcome the bad habits). Those that got through school hitting Ctrl-C on online articles, tweaking the sentences the teacher is likely to check, and submitting them as their own work, are going to try to skate through a tight spot professionally by doing the same thing.

I give the "if you plagarize, you get a zero" speech to my students before every paper. And it never fails -- four or five students will turn in papers that older siblings did, nine or 10 will go to some online essay site or just go to wikipedia and copy/past vast swaths of the entries and turn them in as their own work. And they get zeroes for the assignment, and then wonder what they did wrong.

It's unfortunate, but we *really* have to push hard the expected ethics of journalists, because quite a few members of today's younger generation don't know where the line is.
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In my high school teaching days -- not that long ago -- school policy was plagiarism on a paper was not only a zero on the assignment, but you failed the semester. Still had a few students try it and fail. One student failed a semester because of it, then pulled the same thing when he was retaking the class the next year... and used the exact same plagiarized paper. Not a rocket surgeon, that one.
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What the hell's a rocket surgeon?

Is it like a brain scientist?

outofplace · Jul 8, 2009

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Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!! said:

Double J said:

crimsonace said:

I'm a high school teacher. It is amazing the number of kids that think copying someone else's work is just fine.

They don't see anything ethically wrong with cheating, plagarism, whatever. There was a study done recently that said a majority of HS students in the U.S. sees no ethical problem with cheating. (this is what the emphasis on "group work" and the younger generation's constant access to the Internet has given us).

Now, as journalists, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, but under pressure, we all revert back to our bad habits & crutches (the best among us overcome the bad habits). Those that got through school hitting Ctrl-C on online articles, tweaking the sentences the teacher is likely to check, and submitting them as their own work, are going to try to skate through a tight spot professionally by doing the same thing.

I give the "if you plagarize, you get a zero" speech to my students before every paper. And it never fails -- four or five students will turn in papers that older siblings did, nine or 10 will go to some online essay site or just go to wikipedia and copy/past vast swaths of the entries and turn them in as their own work. And they get zeroes for the assignment, and then wonder what they did wrong.

It's unfortunate, but we *really* have to push hard the expected ethics of journalists, because quite a few members of today's younger generation don't know where the line is.
Click to expand...

I'm shocked - shocked, I say! - that you've yet to be threatened with a lawsuit from a parent who is irate that you dared give innocent little Johnny a zero for that work on which he spent SO much time. Don't you realize what that will do to his future?!?!?!?!? :
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That's my reaction as well.

Seriously, I find it hard to beleive the parents, muchless the school administrators let you do that.
I agree with you 100 percent, but I find really hard to beleive you get away with it.
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Any school administrator who won't back a teacher in that spot needs to find a new line of work.

steveu · Jul 8, 2009

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Lollygaggers said:

I am always amazed that someone thinks this is OK. Well, multiple someones apparently, because this keeps happening. Do we need to do a better job in every newsroom explicitly saying that plagiarism will get you fired?
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It'll get you fired from the Gazette, but I heard Joe Biden's looking for an intern. Fits his qualifications, too.

Okay. Zinger done, back on topic. It just amazes me to think that some people today think nothing of lifting passages from other papers and they think it's fine! Wow. People lose their jobs and yet the cheap/free talent they're hiring does shit like this.

Boom_70 · Jul 8, 2009

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If she hit "Control Z" she would have been fine. "Control C is copy"

Jersey_Guy · Jul 8, 2009

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Guess the "lovely and talented" editor of the Florida Independent Alligator didn't cover plagiarism and stealing others work during her stint in charge last year.

The champion of blogs and new media also hasn't updated her blog since last March.

slappy4428 · Jul 8, 2009

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Jersey_Guy said:

Guess the "lovely and talented" editor of the Florida Independent Alligator didn't cover plagiarism and stealing others work during her stint in charge last year.

The champion of blogs and new media also hasn't updated her blog since last March.
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She's busy working for Sen. Bill Nelson, doing important things in her career as a professional intern like data entry; clerical and secretarial duties.

Yesterday was also her one year anniversary of "You go girl!"

Johnny Dangerously · Jul 8, 2009

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A close friend who's a college professor had two students submit identical papers last semester. The parents of one were irate and insisting they would drag the case through every appeal level. The other student was willing to accept the standard punishment. The twist is that, if the parents persist, the other student's case will be yoked to the appellant's instead of being handled at the departmental level.

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