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Choose a side: Al Qaida declares war on France

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by poindexter, Sep 14, 2006.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    JR, serious time for me... Everything you are saying about the carnage of WWI is true. France paid a terrible toll. So you'd think that the collective French consciousness would feel a debt of gratitude toward America, right? If not, surely WWII would have changed that, right? I even understand the argument that all of this was more than 60 years ago. But the French ingratitude began with De Gaulle, who wasn't exactly a friend of Canada's either.
  2. JR - the Germans were equally decimated by WWI because they were fighting for a long time on two fronts.

    The US entrance into WWI absolutely won the war.

    JR tells people to keep their smugness and check and I'm the one calling the kettle black?
  3. Just saying - many a truth is said in jest

  4. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    More Americans died fighting in WWII than French died in our War for Independence.
    The U.S., however, didn't have much of an option left by the time we entered WWII.
    The French could have easily told us to go screw when we asked for help.
  5. Buck - actually the French kinda did tell us to go screw. It was only until after we won the battle of Saratoga (led by Benedict Arnold BTW) that the French decided that they could use this war to try and screw the British.
  6. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    The German casualties in WW1 were about 50% of their mobilized forces, substantially less than the French.
    But you're missing the point. The Germans initiated WW2.

    U.S. entry into WW1 was a huge help in winning the war.

    Absolutely? Only in your dreams.
  7. pallister

    pallister Guest

    Actually, Buck, I thnk your original sentiment, that that we still owe the French, is probably the reason they've been so useless, smug, condescending, etc. ever since.

    Ya, the French didn't have any stake whatsoever in seeing the English lose the Revolutionary War.
  8. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    Sorry, but how should this debt of gratitude play out exactly? And the French owe it to more than just the Americans.
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Buck, Seems like a misguided analogy. For one, the American Revolution isn't very fresh in the mind of anyone, the way WWII is. Even so, the French provided nominal help during the American Revolution, which was a war that we fought for ourselves, despite being a David against a Goliath. America didn't provide nominal help to France during WWII. The French surrendered after very little fight. America bailed it out.

    It isn't the point of all this, anyhow. The French shouldn't be forever in America's debt. But they've been thumbing their noses at America pretty much from the much from the minute WWII ended. De Gaulle set the tone, and they haven't deviated since.
  10. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    You know, folks, just because the French don't get down and suck a big American dick doesn't mean they're smug and condescending.

    You know, just the same as if you're against Fredo's Little Adventure doesn't make you either anti-American or for the terrorists.
  11. JR - Germany had 1.7 million military dead from WWI while France had 1.3 million military deaths. I can see how in your strange twisted figuring that France got the worst of that.

    You are missing the point. This thread is not about the Germans.

    This thread is about the military incompetence of the French.

    And the US entry into WWI was the decisive factor whether you can admit it or not. (Denying it actually makes you look foolish)
  12. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    Wasn't the American Revolution an uprising by terrorist insurgents? ;D
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