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CBO: Stimulus added up to 3.3 million jobs

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Nov 23, 2011.

  1. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member



    Fixed.
     
  2. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    And this is exactly the attitude that I was talking about. The fevered imagination that there is such a thing as an infinite pit of money from which we could spend with no consequences, if only we were willing to stick it to those caviar-eating bastards.

    In economics, there is *always* an opportunity cost. Shrugging it off as nothing leads to all sorts of unintended consequences.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    If "the administration was pretty certain Bernanke was not planning to raise rates," it was because Bernanke exists to do the bidding of the politicians who control him. The Federal Reserve is independent in name only. We get sold on the Fed being this independent organization that acts according to mystical formulas. And that they can create prosperity without effects. They pretend as if they can dribble a football with monetary policy. In actuality, the are attempting to dribble time bombs.

    If economic conditions dictate monetary policy -- and not politics (as in, create an economic boom without thought about a huge bust or crash. ... or reduce how much the debt we are racking up by inflating it) -- no one would be able to be pretty certain about what the Fed would do. And honestly, interest rates right now would be much higher right now than they are because the Fed would be way more concerned about debasing the dollar, which is the only thing that keeps faith in this country and allows it to lend. The Fed has actually convinced people that a PERMANENT low rate policy is the answer to ANY economic condition. When the economy is doing great, rates are kept low. When the economy tanks, they are reduced as far as they can bring them down. In reality, it is just them trying to bail out politicians with lax monetary policy -- creating false prosperity to make politicians popular ortrying to inflate away the effects of politicians fiscal spending when the bubble the Fed has created with it's permapolicy of printing money pops.

    The Federal Reserve is a secret organization that is not subject to oversight and acts without transparency. Monetary policy, as done by the Fed, is always about either overheating the economy because politicians get reelected that way or inflating away the debt that politicians create at the expense of American's standard of living.

    Ben Bernanke is a political tool, though. When he was reappointed, he wasn't particularly well loved and he was being criticized for not anticipating the financial meltdown. Obama made him come begging for the reappointment. If there was ever a show of who the ultimate pupper master is, that was it. There is nothing independent about the Fed. The independence nonsense just creates some shroud of mysticism around what they do (and allows them to create half of our problems), and allows them to act in secrecy without oversight.
     
  4. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    The Fed is not independent? I am shocked.
     
  5. NickMordo

    NickMordo Active Member

    Weren't more jobs created in the private sector though?
     
  6. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    And the simplest argument is that things suck right now. It's a lot simpler to point to how the unemployment rate rose to over 9% than to play some guessing game between 500,000 and 3.3 million.

    Do you honestly think people will look at some number Obama says and suddenly think the economy is roaring along?
     
  7. BrianGriffin

    BrianGriffin Active Member

    Moody's and IHS Global Insight had previously put the number at close to 2.5 million. I think it's safe to say the number is less than 3.3 million and far more than 500,000.

    And if things suck now, how much would they suck with 2.5 million fewer jobs? Eleven percent or so?
     
  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    What would any of these numbers actually be if we weren't cooking the books? How different would Reagan/Bush/Clinton era "successes" seem if we hadn't changed all the metrics?

    Harpers.org/archive/2008/05/0082023
     
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