Bonds begins HOF campaign

Every guy who has put on a uniform the last 25 years is dirty in some way.

 

Before the cheating, Bonds wasn't even the best player of his era. So I find it difficult to place him as the greatest of all-time.

 

How do you figure this? He had three MVP awards -- and it really should have been four, 1991 was one of the more ridiculous "intangibles + I hate the other guy" votes in MLB -- and had seven years in a row with an OPS above 1.000. Plus a 40/40 season, an average well over 30 SBs and a Gold Glove just about every year.

I agree he wasn't headed for Ruth/Mays status without the juice, but I am having a hard time coming up with a player who was better in that time.

 

I would guess YGBFKM was thinking Ken Griffey Jr. I'd have to mull that one over for a while.

 

early to mid 90s from what i recall it was pretty much Bonds or Griffey as the best player.

 

i don't remember bonds retiring.

 

just ask manky. it was donniefuckingballgame.

 

Bonds never actually retired. No one signed him after the 2007 season.

 

that kinda was my point.

 

Gaylord Perry broke a rule that contains in game tests to check for violations and required him to break the rule during the game - on the mound. Umpires check balls/gloves/pockets. The batter taps a doctored ball to the opponents dugout, a base coach, or to another umpire, and you can get caught. Even the batter can say "check that ball" or pick up his own tapped foul ball and look at it.

Taking PED's (which are illegal on every square inch of soil in the nation) are more sinister regardless of their effects on your stat line simply because there is no in game test for them.

There is an enormous difference between doctoring a ball or bat and PED's.

 

That's not what I said, meant or implied. Just saying Perry was an admitted cheat who was later elected and is looked upon fondly by many, for whatever reason.
I like Perry, always have. Not sure I would have voted him into the HOF though.