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An Interesting Take on Bush Presidency

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Boom_70, May 15, 2007.

  1. D-Backs Hack

    D-Backs Hack Guest

    I'm guessing a giving-comfort-to-the-enemy liberal wrote those lyrics, too.

    Too bad we didn't have lockstepping tunes like "Iraq and Roll" then.
     
  2. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Here's to the land, you tore out the heart of
    Richard Nixon, find yourself another country to be part of.
     
  3. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Who knew Zag was a Woody Guthrie wannabe?

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  4. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    The most underreported fact regarding the current debacle:

    This war has been Wolfy and Rummy and the gang's wet dream since Clinton was in office.

    Now that they're all disgraced and gone, our soldiers are still there.
     
  5. IU90

    IU90 Member

    Boom, why won't you tell us who wrote that "interesting take"?

    The comparison between WWII and this completely unnecessary Iraq war (both in terms of casualty count and reason for entering) is about the most absurdly apples-to-oranges comparison I've seen. And I hope the author has informed the average Iraqi family (or at least the surviving members) who now live cowering in permanent fear with their communities ripped into pieces the last 3 years, that they should be grateful to Bush for having "liberated" them. And, as I recall, North Korea and Iran did not yet have nuclear weaponry when Bush was elected, but NOW they do.
     
  6. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

  7. Pastor

    Pastor Active Member


    Oh. So, Boom is now posting email spam on message boards.

    I guess this really isn't much of a departure from his usual posts. Well, aside from the proper spelling.
     
  8. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    And he is liberal and conservative,
    He's humble and he's proud,
    He's more than just a candidate
    He's a whole crowd!
     
  9. Gold

    Gold Active Member

    OK, Boom, here goes.

    In Korea, The US pledged to defend the South Koreans against the Communists from the North. the North Koreans invaded South Korea, so they certainly did attack just like Iraq invaded Kuwait. Also, the United Nations voted to protect South Korea after the Soviet Union walked out instead of vetoing the resolutions. The Soviets cast nearly 100 vetos in the United Nations before the US ever did that. The US total was not over 50,000 - without looking it up I would say it was something like 35,000. I don't mean to minimize Korean War deaths, but lets get the facts right if we are presenting a factual scenario.

    Kennedy did not start the Viet Nam war in 1962. Eisenhower committed US troops after the French imperialist forces (and this was imperialism, make no mistake about it). Kennedy continued the policy. We were fighting the bad guy Communists - I remember when they were the bad guys who started wars, tortured peoples, and screwed up the economies and freedom of other countries. Maybe Kennedy would have pulled out of Viet Nam in 1963 as people suggested, maybe he wouldn't have - we'll never know.
     
  10. Gold

    Gold Active Member

    We sent over 2-million people to Viet Nam during the years the US had troops there, officially from 1959 to 1975 although there were actually troops there before 1959. At one point, there were more than 500,000 solider there. The argument was always we needed more troops, we needed to bomb them back to the Stone Age, we needed a nuclear bomb, etc. etc. People growing long hair and beards and protesting the war was the reason we lost if we listen to the National Review and right-wing talk radio revisionists. Nixon and Kissinger could have had the same deal in 1969 with 20,000 fewer deaths that they got in 1973 to end massive US troop involvement.

    The lesson of Viet Nam was that military power can't always accomplish political objectives. The Soviet Union didn't learn the lesson in Afghanistan.

    This brings us around to the current president, who was most likely a drunk and/or cocaine user during the end of the Viet Nam war. He obviously didn't learn the lesson. Yes, he invaded Afghanistan but pretty much any president would have done that. People in the Middle East aren't loyal to their nation, they are loyal to their tribes, families, and churches. The Kurds don't have loyalty to the government of Iraq. The Kurds were the people who absorbed most of Saddam Hussain's brutality - not that fact stopped Donald Rumsfield from dealing with Saddam during the 1980s.

    The United States in 2007 is the strongest force in the history of the world. Nobody presents a serious challenge. And the situation in Iraq can't be controlled. One soldier in Iraq, who obviously couldn't give his name, suggested in a half-joking manner but making a serious point, suggested releasing Saddam Hussein and saying, "we're sorry, we didn't realize you were so brutal because you had to be." Now, obviously that wasn't a serious suggestion but there is a point to the story. And hanging Saddam denied the Kurds a chance for a trial where what Saddam did could be put on for the rest of the world.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This is once again, history at its most ridiculous. Eisenhower sent at most 500 U.S. military personnel to South Vietnam and they were not combatants. They were there to train French colonial forces (the same way the Chinese and Soviets were backing the Viet Minh, as this stuff happened throughout the cold war). Again, at most 500 military personnel. Kennedy upped that number from 500 to 16,000. And your explanation is that turning 500 military personnel into a build-up of 16,000 is Kennedy continuing Eisenhower's policy, not Kennedy starting the escalation that led to the mess LBJ created by sending sending full-fledged combat troops and upping the numbers further. Interesting interpretation of history...

    I'll even buy the "pin the Vietnam War on Eisenhower" insanity. But now you have to explain to me how Eisenhower's 500 non-combatants turned into 58,000 dead U.S. soldiers and millions of dead Vietnamese. And when you're done with that, maybe you can explain why those pesky historians persist on tracing the Vietnam War to the Gulf of Tonkin and Lyndon Johnson's batshit mismanagement of the situation by sending swarms of troops in to die.
     
  12. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Sad to say, but that is ALL these people seem capable of.

    During the summer of 2004 "ridiculous John Kerry quotes" criss-crossed the e-mails and appeared on message board after message board.

    Problem was, they were actually Dan Quayle quotes.

    Not that any of the knuckledraggers actually bothered to check on this before breathlessly forwarding their "ridiculous John Kerry quotes" to the next 100,000 people.

    That's why you get stupid posts like the one Boom quoted about two countries being "liberated" and the Taliban being "crushed". And why you get stupid posts like "Clinton fired all the U.S. attorneys!!!!!!" when the subject of the current Justice Department controversy comes up.
     
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