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A Rod Villain / Big Papi Celebrated

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Boom_70, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    Well, the Red Sox do get way more of a positive spin than the Yankees, even though they're both big-spending big-market teams that use money in amounts most teams can't dream of to solve their problems.

    But the Yankees are the Evil Empire while the Red Sox are often perceived as lovable underdogs. At least part of that is because of their history -- the Yankees won championship after championship for decades while the best the Sox could do was get close before "tragically" failing. But now that they've won two World Series titles recently, you'd think that would change.
     
  2. Double J

    Double J Active Member

    It has changed, in a lot of people's minds. The Red Sox, or maybe it's just their often-insufferable fans, are now widely looked upon as a bunch of entitled douchebags.
     
  3. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    To my point in Gammons daily column titled "PEDs Lasting Impact On The MLB
    Postseason" talks about the unfairness of Peralta playing with this line:

    "There are several Red Sox players who have complained privately that Peralta is allowed to play. They wonder what remains in his body."

    No mention of Big Papi anywhere in column though.
     
  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    That's not entirely true. Rodriguez came partially clean, but continued to mix in lies, when he was caught.
     
  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Why does that matter? Both got busted cheating.
     
  6. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    When Ortiz was proven to have done it, it wasn't against the rules.
     
  7. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Ortiz and A Rod were on the same 2003 list. Big difference thanks to Selena Roberts is
    that only ARod had subsequent SI story / book and of course the new Bio-genesis allegations.
     
  8. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Has ARod tested positive since 2003?
     
  9. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I blame the Red Sox homers at ESPN. :D
     
  10. Joe Williams

    Joe Williams Well-Known Member

    Part of it is trajectory, I think. Guys like Bonds, A-Rod (Clemens too) started knocking on the doors of all-time-ness. Either via single-season records or career marks. Ortiz hasn't pushed toward that by chasing Maris' 61 or Aaron's 755.

    Even guys like Piazza ("best hitting catcher of all time") and Palmeiro (500-3,000 specialness) generated backlash by virtue of the historical claims they were achieving. But unless the debate over greatest DH ever really heats up, and Ortiz crowds Edgar Martinez or Frank Thomas, he won't elicit the same resistance as A-Rod from many people.
     
  11. joe king

    joe king Active Member

    My recollection is that PED use was already against the rules before the testing program began. It's just that no one ever got caught because no one was looking for it (because there was no testing program).

    I could be mistaken (I'm not in a position to look it up right now), but I seem to remember reading that in more than one place.
     
  12. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    It's a bit of a gray area, but it was clearly viewed as cheating at the time and we're not talking about formal punishment here, we're talking about public opinion.
     
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