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A NYT Lede That Duplicates Wikipedia

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by YankeeFan, Jul 30, 2014.

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  2. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Now, I suppose that's second-hand information. So:

    Now, I suppose you could sub the words "Calipari said he called ..." So:

    Again, it seems pretty well covered to me.

    Agree to disagree, I guess.
     
  3. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    And none of this deals with plagiarizing a lede. And no, this lede would not be acceptable if it said "according to Wikipedia."
     
  4. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Why not?
     
  5. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    It's still plagiarism.
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    This always seems like such a silly exercise to me - having to switch around the words when merely laying out facts, facts that you've cited a source for, just to avoid plagiarizing.

    What a waste of time. Skeet shooting is great training for skeet shooting.
     
  7. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    No, it isn't. "According to Wikipedia" makes it clear you're not trying to pass it off as your own.

    It would still be lazy and shitty journalism. But it wouldn't be plagiarism.
     
  8. SnarkShark

    SnarkShark Well-Known Member

    If it's "according to Wikipedia," and then the portion is quoted, it's not plagiarism. If it's "according to Wikipedia" and then the portion is not in quotes, but still verbatim and not paraphrased, I think that's still basically plagiarism.
     
  9. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    It wasn't verbatim.
     
  10. SnarkShark

    SnarkShark Well-Known Member

    Was pretty damn close. Used the same phrasing.
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    It is factual background. Assuming the words, "According to Wikipedia," how much creativity should she have then put into trying to shuffle the words around just enough in order to satiate the Journalism Police?
     
  12. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    The same order was probably her biggest sin. But, there are only so many ways to phrase the same facts. Especially when they are coming from a faceless, nameless amalgam of online "contributors."

    It was different enough that a simple attribution would've covered it. From being plagiarism, I mean - it's shitty journalism no matter what.
     
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