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A hole in the ground

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Johnny Dangerously, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    Name JR's best lay.
  2. Double J

    Double J Active Member

    Kristen Shepard.
  3. ThomsonONE

    ThomsonONE Member

    As someone who lives in NY, I'm telling everyone that doesn't that on this issue, Olbermann couldn't be more wrong. Bush has had nothing to do with the lack of progress at the WTC site, it is the local pols (Bloomberg, Pataki, all the NJ governors, etc.), the Port Authority, Larry Silverstein, and the various interest groups that have stopped anything from happening.

    As someone that lives here Olbermann should know better. Wait, I take that back, I believe he is smart enough that he does know better, but is blaming Bush anyway. He showed that while he's much more eloquent than the other hack talking heads, he's equally as phony.
  4. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Excuse my ignorance but how does the governor of New Jersey have a say in any construction project in NYC?
  5. T1 --
    He was using the hole in the ground -- the "wound in America" -- as a metaphor for the political misuse of a national tragedy, time and again, right up through that pathetic speech last night. He's not blaming Bush for their not having been anything built yet at Ground Zero. He's blaming him for keeping the wound open for his own advantages.
  6. ThomsonONE

    ThomsonONE Member

    The land at the WTC site is owned by the Port Authority. The Port Authority was created to do infrastructure projects related to the ports of all of the harbor, which has facilities in both NY and NJ. The PA is run by a board who's members are appointed, 50% by the NY gov, and 50% by the NJ gov. This causes horrendous gridlock since each state only wants to approve projects that will benefit them, not the region as a whole.
  7. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Thanks. Sounds a lot like NO's levee boards.
  8. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Beat me to it, Smasher.

    And I don't think anyone ever suggested Nagin should have New Orleans looking "as if nothing happened within a year." There should be more progress being made there.

    That, however, isn't even my point. I don't think Nagin should be using the WTC to fend off legitimate questions about what he's doing to help his constituents, especially in the manner in which he did it.
  9. Pringle

    Pringle Active Member

    Olbermann has his faults, and since his words are clearly tinged with partisanship, you have to take that into account (kind of like reading Rolling Stone magazine).

    But there is no doubt that he is a terrific orator when it comes to this stuff - passionate, articulate. When he was speaking last night, it felt like America hushed to listen (well, those watching MSNBC). I know our house went silent.

    If he ever showed himself equally willing to take on a lefty misstep, I think he could position himself as the conscience of America. He's that skilled and authoritative when he wants to be.

    Murrow anyone?
  10. ThomsonONE

    ThomsonONE Member

    Here's what he said:

    Five years later this space is still empty.

    Five years later there is no memorial to the dead.

    Five years later there is no building rising to show with proud defiance that we would not have our America wrung from us, by cowards and criminals.

    Five years later this country's wound is still open.

    Five years later this country's mass grave is still unmarked.

    Five years later this is still just a background for a photo-op.

    It is beyond shameful.

    While there is one line where he is talking about the wounds, most of this is blaming Bush for the lack of progress on the site. And on that he is knowingly wrong, which is usually called lying. People outside the NYC area don't know what has been happening to cause the deadlock on progress, so blaming Bush is distorting the facts, and Olbermann should know it.

    I usually like his pieces, but this one is just as bad as any of the nonsense spouted by other talking heads.
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Thank you! I live in NYC, too. The jockeying and cronyism going on with Larry Silverstein, all of the competing interest groups, Boomberg, Pataki, Sheldon Silver, etc. is to blame for the WTC delays. Bush has absolutely nothing to do with this. And Olbermann knows it. The Port Authority moves like molasses on little things. Multiply that horrible bureaucracy by 1,000 and you have what is going on at Ground Zero. If Bloomberg and Pataki were good leaders, they'd have found a way to twist some arms and cut through the red tape. But instead, they are part of the problem. At least lay blame where it belongs on this.

    As someone pointed out, as ridiculous as it is that they have moved so slowly at the WTC site, the human tragedy of those buildings coming down largely played itself out on 9/11. The human tragedy of Katrina is ongoing. 9/11 was horrible. But we were not dealing with hundreds of thousands of homeless people as a result of it. Comparing the two situations does an injustice to the people who lost everything they had in Katrina and are still trying to figure out how they are going to pick up the pieces more than a year later. It's a cheap way to try to obscure and deflect blame for the crappy job they have done in Louisiana.
  12. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    Bush made a lot of promises that night in Sept. 2005 when he stood in front of Jackson Square in New Orleans, the exterior of St. Louis Cathedral regally lit behind him -- despite the reality of there being no electricity in the city.

    Many who were evacuated saw him on TV that night and thought, "Great, the power's back. I'm going home to start cleaning up and getting back to normal." Then they found out there was no power in the city. Bush simply needed a backdrop that made for a nice photo op, video style.

    Sad. It made a lot of people outside the region, I think, mistakenly perceive the city was better off at the time than it was. But hey, at least it looked better than having a dark Jackson Square behind Bush. It's all about appearances, right?
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