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1974 circulation figures

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Frank_Ridgeway, Dec 6, 2007.

  1. Joe Williams

    Joe Williams Well-Known Member

    Maybe we should just blame USA Today, which went from "unborn" to swiping away 2,293,137 readers from somebody, as of Sept. 2007.
     
  2. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    But I thought nobody wants to know what is going on outside their local area? In fairness, I'm fairly certain more than half of USA Today circ is through hotels.
     
  3. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Nobody wants a bunch of AP wire copy from outside their local area.

    The New York Times' national and international coverage dwarfs anything by any paper in this country.
     
  4. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    1974 2007
    Boston
    Globe 462,619 360,095
    Herald 371,365 185,832
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    Cincinnati
    Enquirer 194,970 195,028
    Post 209,118 25,029 (cq)
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    Hartford
    Courant 170,459 168,108
    Times 123,376 Dead
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    Houston
    Chronicle 297,482 507,437
    Post 292,122 Dead
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    Indianapolis
    News 176,715 Dead
    Star 226,905 253,209
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    Kansas City
    Star 315,560 247,274
    Times 335,361 Dead
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    Lousiville
    Courier-Journal 234,921 208,176
    Times 174,66 Dead
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    Milwaukee
    Journal 357,077
    Sentinel 180,140
    Journal-Sentinel 220,676
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    Minneapolis
    Star 258,169
    Tribune 237,033
    Star-Tribune 335,443
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    St. Louis
    Post-Dispatch 317,247 265,111
    Globe-Democrat 291,074 Dead
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    San Francisco
    Chronicle 461,164 365,234
    Examiner 179,010 Free distribution
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  5. Clerk Typist

    Clerk Typist Guest

    Yow. There's no way any of those numbers are good. And where will they be in another 33 years?
    Someone mentioned the strike as affecting Detroit hugely, and it did, but the circulation of both papers was large right until then, larger than might have been expected for the metro area, and I think it was because both the News and Free Press sold for just 15 cents when other papers went from 25 to 50. It was an old-fashioned pre-JOA circulation war -- think New York Post today.
    In Chicago, you can add an additional 150k for the Daily Herald and 40-45k for the Daily Southtown. Still, the drop is huge.
    I'd guess small dailys in one-paper towns haven't been hurt nearly as much in percentage. If they have been, some might have folded by now.
     
  6. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    Well, with outlets for news, starting with TV news becoming a player upon the McCarthy hearings, growing with each and every decade, drops were inevitable. The Nightly News and such pretty much was the death knell for the vitality of the PM paper. And in St. Louis, the afternoon Post-Dispatch moved to the morning and killed the Globe-Democrat. And also, the suburban newspapers in many metro areas are taking circulation from the big-uns, which means that total newspaper readership across all papers in a metro area may not be off so badly. And in St. Louis, the Post owns Suburban Newspapers.

    It's the irony of capitalism: Competition leads to concentration.
     
  7. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty Guest

    yeah, but i still read the fuck out of it every time i'm in a hotel ... FWIW.
     
  8. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    Sun-belt papers (with metro population growth indicated)


    1974 2007
    Atlanta
    Journal 259,721
    Constitution 216,624
    AJC 318,350
    Population 1.6 million 3.7 million
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    Charlotte
    Observer 175,895 201,532
    News 69,163 Dead
    Population 600,000 1.4 million
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    Dallas/FW
    Morning News 267,164 373,586
    Times-Herald 244,326 Dead
    FW Star-Telegram 235,708 201,894
    FW Press 48,257 Dead
    Population 2.4 million 4.8 million
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    Phoenix
    Republic 211,962 382,414
    Gazette 121,306 Dead
    Population 1 million 2.9 million
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    San Diego
    Union 175,298
    Tribune 124,712
    Union-Tribune 278,378
    Population 1.4 million 2.8 million
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    Tampa-St. Pete
    Tampa Tribune 177,330 192,249
    Tampa Times 27,472 Dead
    St. Pete Times 199,443 288,807
    St. Pete Independent 31,114 Dead
    Population 1.1 million 2.3 million
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  9. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty Guest

    thanks frank. that's interesting.
     
  10. Walter Burns

    Walter Burns Member

    God almighty, that's disturbing.
    But what will probably really bowl you over is the Pittsburgh numbers, if you have them. The bigger paper ended up dying there.
     
  11. In Cold Blood

    In Cold Blood Member

    depressing
     
  12. Rex Harrison

    Rex Harrison Member

    And to think that some people argue that the daily newspaper isn't a dying thing. The news industry? Debatable. The printed paper? How can you think otherwise?
     
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