Barnicle story on Grantland

[Ben_Hecht]

April 20 Morning Joe will emit various odors from the self-proclaimed most-beloved ball park in America, and will feature, "Mary and Joe? That was MY idea, you ingrates!"

Film at 11.

 

[beardpuller]

Michael Vick killed dogs and was welcomed back. Does Barnicle ever get that chance?

I'm sure he'll have plenty of chances to kill dogs, but that's not the point...

Best post on the thread.

 

[henryhenry]

Those Boston-colored glasses have more than once led Simmons in ill-advised directions.

Yep.

Pretty funny too, how in the liberal world of journalism, the white folks who plagiarize and make stuff up get second chances, and the African-Americans don't. (Barnicle, Doris Kearns Goodwin, etc.)

As for the passage of time, what difference does that make.

In every industry their are "crimes" that get you the "death penalty". And, everyone in the industry knows what they are when they get in.

Would you hire a stock broker who had committed insider trading? A cop who had taken a bribe? A doctor who had several malpractice judgements against him, or had committed MediCare fraud?

Sorry, but Barnicle broke the two rules of journalism. There are only two Cardinal sins, and he broke 'em both. Consistently. Willfully.

Why does he deserve a second chance? Is he that good? Is his opinion that unique? Are there no suitable replacements?

Besides, he's a hack. He's simplistic.

"Cardinal sins".

another pope from the 16th century speaks.

spare us the rigid moralism - the doctor, cop and stock broker committed financial conflict of interest - like when reporters take free tickets or meals - or "co-author" books with athletes or or coaches they're supposedly reporting on - or when editors assign stories to stroke advertisers - or when talk radio pays athletes to come on as regular guests - there was no financial conflict in what barnicle did - just laziness. you've got your hierarchy of sins upside down. but you're just regurgitating something you've heard forever, and that gets repeated like some mindless catechism.

stick to your second point - he doesn't bring much to the table.

 

[Azrael]

Just because venial sin exists doesn't mean that mortal sin does not.

 

[YankeeFan]

It's a crime against journalism itself.

And, you don't think there's a financial interest in his actions? Barnicle became one of the highest paid journalists in Boston based on his fake/phony/plagiarized stories. They made him a lot of money, and they deceived his readers.

He deserves no second chance. He knew the consequences of his actions the very first time he made up a quote, or a story. Just like every baseball player knows that gambling results in a lifetime suspension -- there are signs on the clubhouse doors -- every journalist knows the rules.

He violated them willfully, and repeatedly.

 

[YankeeFan]

I'd be interested in hearing from you what's changed since the days of Stephen Glass and Jayson Blair.

And, why won't MSNBC hire either Glass or Blair? Did they not make up good enough stories?

Blair would add some much needed diversity to MSNBC's lineup.

Glass couldn't even get admitted to the new York State Bar as a result of his fabrications.

 

[henryhenry]

could be because barnicle's fabrications were harmless - no victims - and theirs weren't

but probably because barnicle's wife is a powerful exec at bank america

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Plagiarism is for punks.

 

[Azrael]

Fabrication (fiction) undercuts the foundational premise of newsgathering (nonfiction).

 

[Boom_70]

How does everyone feel about our VP being a known plagiarizer?

 

[Azrael]

Apparently it didn't bother voters. And he's not a journalist or academic.

In Europe, however, there's been recent spate of politicians undone because they plagiarized.

www.ithenticate.com/plagiarism-prevention-blog/bid/60500/Revocation-of-3-German-Politicians-Ph-Ds-For-Plagiarism-3-Reactions

 

[Boom_70]

Apparently it didn't bother voters. And he's not a journalist or academic.

In Europe, however, there's been recent spate of politicians undone because they plagiarized.

www.ithenticate.com/plagiarism-prevention-blog/bid/60500/Revocation-of-3-German-Politicians-Ph-Ds-For-Plagiarism-3-Reactions

I guess it did to the point that he did not get serious consideration when he ran for President. Last go around his Obama comments did not help much either.